Phone call with Howard Levine [Archive]

Derwin

12-21-2010, 05:01 PM

Well, I just finished speaking with Howard Levine, and all I can say is that I am THRILLED with what he just told me. I will be sharing EVERYTHING with you after the holidays, but here's what I can say for now....

1. Persu Mobility has actually been dissolved, and it no longer exists.

2. A NEW company called Persu Ventures, Inc. has been launched, and this company has acquired ALL of the assets and properties of Persu Mobility.

3. Terry Murphy is the new CEO of Persu Ventures, Inc. He has an incredible background in the Aerospace industry (perfect!), and he is the founder of a company called Solar Reserve, which raised over 140 Million dollars. Terry has a great deal of experience raising funds for high ticket ventures, and is the perfect man to take this vehicle concept to the next level.

4. Howard has continued to work behind the scenes in helping to get legislation passed to clear the way for this vehicle once it hits the roads. We all knew about what was done in California, but they have now succeeded in getting legislation passed in Texas, Florida and Washington as well eliminating the need for a motorcycle license and helmet when driving this type vehicle.

On the engineering front.... They have been working with the Carver at the Ford Proving Grounds in Dearborn, Michigan. Testing, testing, and more testing is being done to be sure that this vehicle can handle American roads, along with all of the pot-holes and such that are present.

And finally..... The Jay Leno Show that is in the other thread was filmed in Leno's garage on Saturday, December 4, 2010. They just filmed this a couple weeks ago!

There is some more incredibly exciting news that I am BURSTING to tell you. I am THRILLED once again by the prospect of this vehicle actually becoming a reality. Our long wait will be well worth it, my friends!

This club will once again be going back to the original reason it was founded.... a gathering place for Persu Hybrid Enthusiasts. It's been a long time since I have heard "official" words like this about the company and the vehicle, and I am as enthused now as I was when I first discovered this company!

CAN YOU TELL THAT I'M EXCITED???!!!

More to come after the holidays....

Derwin

Firedawg

12-21-2010, 05:39 PM

WOOT!!!! that is great news!!!! Can not wait to hear the rest after the holidays. What is Terry Murphy's address so we can send him Christmas gifts? ;) I'm off to learn how to knit so that I can make this man a Christmas sweater.

Way to go Car Czar!!!!!!

jbat10

12-21-2010, 05:54 PM

Hope for the holidays

MVRacing

12-21-2010, 08:31 PM

Wonderful news Derwin!! Ya know, I went out and bought a ZeroDS electric motorcycle and have the race car...it's just not the same...I WANT TO FLY THE ROAD!!!!

Miracleman89

12-21-2010, 08:33 PM

And finally..... The Jay Leno Show that is in the other thread was filmed in Leno's garage on Saturday, December 4, 2010. They just filmed this a couple weeks ago!

Derwin

uhmmm OK what did I miss???? What thread???

MVRacing

12-21-2010, 08:50 PM

Have you been following the Volt? Perhaps we could form a CAB - Customer Advisory Board for Persue Ventures? Course, just because those guys got first dibs.=y:

Huumm, wonder if that name change (thank God) opens the way for the vehicle to be the Venture One?

Derwin

12-21-2010, 08:51 PM

uhmmm OK what did I miss???? What thread???

This thread.... http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/showthread.php?3115-OUT-OF-BUSINESS!&p=19636#post19636

willk

12-21-2010, 09:19 PM

So what do we have coming after the holidays, Derwin? I always shake my presents to try and guess what's inside before opening. :)

Mike kZ

12-22-2010, 06:57 AM

Alright!!!!!!! I was hoping I was wrong about the film! This is GREAT NEWS!!!! hy:per1) :whoohoo:

bmwgc1946

12-22-2010, 07:28 AM

WOW ,WOW, Wonderful!!!! I am also happy to see the picture of the foam mock up back on the site. I also consider this the ultimate choice. But when can we see a running model of the Venture 1???? We still keep seeing the Carver. It is encouraging that Howard has continued to get legislation revised. That means they are “getting their ducks in a row” and are truly serious and not dead. I noticed that the states you mentioned are all on the west coast. I can assure you there is a big market on the east coast. If the Venture 1 is still proposed to be a hybrid, Massachusetts is a major producer of the right kind of batteries. I am sure some politicians can be convinced that changing the regulations would benefit the Massachusetts economy. I would like to suggest that there are likely members of this club that are willing to help get to politicians or regulators in states that have helmet laws to pay attention to this vehicle and revise the law. We all know eliminating the law will increase sales potential and increase investment. Derwin ask Howard if he could use assistance from us. I for one am willing to volunteer my time to button hole State Reps & State Senators(for a shot at one of the first run). Now I am getting excited.

bbhunter2

12-22-2010, 01:27 PM

Thanks Derwin: having the knowledge that the Persu is still alive is a christmas present in itself. I will be eager to hear the rest after the holidays and will check in more on the site now. Cash in pocket ready to buy !!!!!!!!! Let's ride

Jack Willard

12-22-2010, 02:28 PM

....A NEW company called Persu Ventures, Inc. has been launched.....More to come after the holidays....
Derwin

This is for everyone:

Derwin,

Tell me now... Tell me now... Tell me now... Tell me now... Tell me now... Tell me now... Tell me NOW!!!

Derwin

12-22-2010, 02:38 PM

What? Do you really think I don't want to? BELIEVE ME..... I WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY BECAUSE I'M BURSTING AT THE SEAMS HOLDING THIS IN!

But I simply cannot post anything more at least for a few more days or so. Howard told me some things in confidence (he reads these threads, by the way!), and I have to honor that.

All I can say is that we discussed things that will get you excited all over again about this vehicle. Things that so many of us have talked about in the past. But, again, everybody is just going to have to wait a few more days after I talk to Howard again and he gives me the green light to make all of this public.

By the way.... The club will be completely revamped with Persu logo's, photos, etc., and the forums will also be completely reorganized to better represent us as a gathering place for Persu enthusiasts.

I know it's hard to wait.....believe me, I know! But just a few days longer and you guys will know everything.

Derwin

Jack Willard

12-22-2010, 03:11 PM

I know...

It simply HAD to be done... cuz ya know that those words are rolling around all the heads that poke into this place. no:wor:thy1

And when you start changing stuff, would you mind changing the site back to so I can read it? Please up the font size and let the text wrap automatically, so I don't need to scroll left and right to read a single line. The previous site setup did not have these problems.

And, I REALLY can hardly wait for the up-to-date scoop on Persu. DUH!

(Actually, I think I liked the Venture One name better)

Derwin

12-22-2010, 04:03 PM

And when you start changing stuff, would you mind changing the site back to so I can read it? Please up the font size and let the text wrap automatically, so I don't need to scroll left and right to read a single line. The previous site setup did not have these problems.

Hmmm. I know you mentioned this to me back when we switched to this new software. But, to tell you the truth, I have no idea about the problem you're having. The text doesn't do this with me when I'm on the site. It acts just like always in that the text and threads all squeeze smaller when you make your browser smaller. If you're having a problem with the text overlapping with a scroll bar, then it might be an issue with your browser, and not the site. I don't know. All I can say is that I have no issues, and I haven't heard anybody else having any issues like this.

But I'll do what I can by installing a fresh copy of this software when I begin reorganizing the site.

Derwin

MikeB

12-22-2010, 04:35 PM

Well, well, well. This is a pleasant surprise. And besides the news that our beloved Persu isn't dead, the 2nd best piece of news is that the company name isn't something that will immediately bring up thoughts of mobility scooters for old people. :)

Btw, my guess as to the news that Derwin has (and this is pure speculation, of course): It has to be some sort of actual investment. A new company means new owners, and they purchased the assets from the old company. That means somebody new is involved, somebody with money. It might be just more angel investors who will own a large share of the company, or it could be an investing partnership with a large automaker. From our point of view, an automaker would make production more likely to happen sooner, but might also dilute the product from the original vision.

Firedawg

12-22-2010, 05:18 PM

Hey Derwin, when/if this new reformation of Persu goes public and offers stock options, please give us a heads up so that we can own a piece of our dream. I am sure I speak for quite a few people here that they would like a stake in this "little engine that could".

Derwin

12-22-2010, 05:48 PM

Well, well, well. This is a pleasant surprise. And besides the news that our beloved Persu isn't dead, the 2nd best piece of news is that the company name isn't something that will immediately bring up thoughts of mobility scooters for old people. :)

I actually mentioned this to Howard. I told him that everybody is going to be SO RELIEVED that the "Mobility" part of the name has been removed! I don't think any of us really liked that, and I'm just guessing here.....but I think Howard was happy about the change as well.

Btw, my guess as to the news that Derwin has (and this is pure speculation, of course):

PLEASE.... try NOT to guess/speculate about what's going on. Everything will be posted VERY soon, you have my word on that. After I post the information, then you can speculate/ponder/guess and talk about this until your hearts content! But right now I want to make sure that Howard knows I am a man of my word and that I have not divulged anything yet. Our relationship with the company is of utmost importance if we want to be on the "inside" of what's going on. Being trustworthy is a big part of that.

Derwin

cearlnot

12-22-2010, 06:27 PM

Terry Murphy!
Before Solar reserve Terry worked at a place called Rocketdyne in Canoga Park California. Rocketdyne builds all kinds of space based equipment including the power system for the Space Station and just about every large rocket engine that the US ever launchedl. Terry left Rocketdyne a few years back to start Solar Reserve and has been a busy boy ever sense.

After I retired from Rocketdyne last year I considered applying at Solar Reserve but went back to Rocketdyne as a contractor. The offer was too good to pass up. I never worked with Terry but always knew him to be intelligent go-getter. He should be a real asset to Persu.

Terry
If you read this you should know that we know allot of the same Rocketdyners and your secrets are not safe with me unless you log on and give us the lowdown on what’s going on at Persu Ventures. Only kidding!

Earl N

SSME Pumps and Powerheads

Dutchy

12-22-2010, 07:45 PM

Where is Byteware when you need him ? I'm sure he could think of some downside we can no longer see...

Let me try to fill-in for him: The light on the other side of the tunnel is always an upcoming train. Sure hope its a hybrid power train!
We have been managed like mushrooms: keep 'm in the dark, feed 'm sh!t and if they stick their head out, cut them off... Sure hope its serious sh!t.

In short: when will the IPO and production ready prototype specs be posted here ? I normally dont invest in anything with a $ on it. Sorry guys, lack of monetary trust... But will make an exception -stick my head out- if this opportunity is presented.

Congrats to all readers and long term posters for pure stamina and stubborn vision of a vehicle concept too good to fail.

Let's Pursu the near future !

Dutchy

Derwin

12-22-2010, 08:39 PM

Where is Byteware when you need him ? I'm sure he could think of some downside we can no longer see...

Let me try to fill-in for him....

Dutchy... PLEASE....Let's try to stay positive. We all know the history, and it doesn't need to be repeated here. Instead of seeing the glass half empty, let's try to see the glass as half full for a change.

Look, we have been here supporting the company for over 3 years now, and we are at a very crucial point where we may actually see this vehicle come to market. If people want to bring up old history, or be negative towards this vehicle or this company from this point forward, then I think they need to find another forum to express their opinions.

The FlyTheRoad Club is a place for ENTHUSIASTS of this vehicle. I want to try and keep the conversation positive, and void of any negative garbage from the past.

Let's try to look forward and not behind.

Thanks.

Dutchy

12-23-2010, 03:13 AM

Derwin,

A special congratulations to you is in its place. By starting this forum you coaxed our enthusiasm in the first place. By keeping it online you kind of herded us through the dark ages of the past...

What we got -so far- is the best news on this subject in years. All I tried to do, is use my cynical humor to relativate it. Sorry if I stirred up some personal emotions in the proces. I didn't think of that...

I hope you can now read past the B-word and see that my glass is almost full !

Regards, Dutchy

Derwin

12-23-2010, 06:25 AM

Derwin,

A special congratulations to you is in its place. By starting this forum you coaxed our enthusiasm in the first place. By keeping it online you kind of herded us through the dark ages of the past...

Thank you very much. I appreciate this more than you know.

What we got -so far- is the best news on this subject in years. All I tried to do, is use my cynical humor to relativate it. Sorry if I stirred up some personal emotions in the proces. I didn't think of that...

Well, if you've been here over the past 3+ years, than you most likely know that this place has been like an ongoing soap opera. We've had ups and downs (mostly downs!), and there's been a lot of "hurt feelings" along the way. Heck, some members have called me a "suck-up" to the company, while others stated that I was not loyal enough! It's been a VERY emotional ride operating this club over the years, and there have been times (especially recently) where I have all but given up hope on this vehicle ever coming to market.

Things are different now. This club is now being RE-DEDICATED to this company and vehicle. I want to do everything in my power, and the power of this club, to help get this vehicle to market, and to avoid any and all negativity from here on out. Yes, I'm a bit touchy about this now because of the history in this place.

I apologize if I came across too crude or "over the top" in my response, Dutchy. I didn't mean to offend. I just want to stamp out any sign of negativity at this point in the game. Believe me when I say I know how you feel. But I want us all to move on from the past and look forward to a bright future. I think this is what you, as well as most all other members, desire as well.

I know we can all work together in this club to help bring this vehicle into fruition.

We will FlyTheRoad one day! 2thumb:up

Derwin

MikeB

12-23-2010, 07:51 AM

The flytheroad.com website has been updated. It has the new company name, Persu Ventures, as well as a link to the Jay Leno's Garage video.

Derwin

12-23-2010, 08:07 AM

Yep. They just did that. Yesterday it still read Persu Mobility.

Good things are coming! . . . .

MarkH

12-23-2010, 10:30 AM

Nicely done Derwin. Very nicely done.

espresso_curve

12-23-2010, 12:32 PM

2thumb:up is all I have to say!!!

Miracleman89

12-23-2010, 01:21 PM

Dear Dutchy,
Please don't bring that name up! I couldn't stand him!!! And you are too good of a person to lower yourself into his Dysfunctional and pessimistic way of thinking!

JeffDeWitt

12-23-2010, 06:33 PM

Gang, I'd never even heard of this car (car?) until seeing Jay Leno's video tonight and that got me curious. I did some Googling around and everything seemed to indicate the company was dead except for the fact he Leno video was new.

Then I Googled "Terry Murphy" and found you guys.

This thing looks so cool, and it would be such a blast to have one of these to drive to work (only gets about triple the mileage of my Jeep!).

I really hope it works out and they can get these things on the market for a reasonable price (the Carver was NOT reasonably priced!). If they do I'll buy one!

Now I wonder... I've been dreaming of a SERIOUS road trip, what about putting a little trailer on the back of one of these and driving it from North Carolina to Deadhorse Alaska? dr:ive1)

rcgarcia

12-23-2010, 10:58 PM

I've been lurking at this site for years and experiencing all the ups and downs as well. I'm happy to see that an ex-Rocketdyner is leading the charge now. I currently work at Rocketdyne. Rocketdyne has several technologies that can benefit this vehicle, from control software, power management to a compact power source. I can't wait to see the new powertrain design.

willk

12-26-2010, 03:59 PM

:bounce::bounce::bounce: It's after Christmas... :bounce::bounce::bounce:

Doug

12-26-2010, 04:26 PM

Great news!
I had given up hope, and now we have something to look forward to again!
So even if it is a couple more years until we see our dreams come true we can all get excited about the future!
The dream is alive again!

Derwin

12-26-2010, 07:22 PM

Gang, I'd never even heard of this car (car?) until seeing Jay Leno's video tonight and that got me curious. I did some Googling around and everything seemed to indicate the company was dead except for the fact he Leno video was new.

Then I Googled "Terry Murphy" and found you guys.

Welcome to the club, Jeff! wel;co;m;e101))

I'm glad you found us. We've been here supporting this company and this vehicle sine 2007, and I think we may be seeing our dreams finally becoming a reality very soon. So stick around and log on often. We'll be making constant updates about the progress of this vehicle as information becomes available.

Again, welcome to the club!

Derwin

Derwin

12-26-2010, 07:25 PM

:bounce::bounce::bounce: It's after Christmas... :bounce::bounce::bounce:

Well, Howard told me he would call "after the holidays". He could have meant after Christmas, or he could have meant after New Years. But whatever the case may be, as soon as I here from him, I'll be posting it here. You can count on that.

The dream is alive again!

Amen, Doug! It is definitely alive and well, and we can once again revive our hope in one day owning this incredible vehicle.

Hoosier

12-27-2010, 08:59 AM

I cannot wait to hear the rest of the story. I had assumed that my dream had died and was buried for ever. Great timing with this "resurrection" of Persu, given the season.

It finally looks like Persu has the right folks at the helm; that is a vital development. And I'm very relieved that Howard is still involved. The V1 was his baby and there is no better person to ensure this baby hits the road.

Optimism reigns supreme...2thumb:up

TOSS

12-27-2010, 12:06 PM

Hello everyone. While I'm new to the posting Ive been following the posts of others on this site since 08. I have found this concept interesting for a long time, and am quite pleased to see a glimmer of hope. I have also followed the research many of the members post on other vehicles. I am looking forward to the future information being a member will provide. Happy NewYear!

beeson

12-27-2010, 09:05 PM

All I can say is please, Please, PLEASE, please, Please, PLEASE!!!!!!!! OK, you all know what I mean. This is like Salma Hayek saying she "might" go out with me LOLOL. Ah, hope springs eternal.

Raamster

12-27-2010, 10:29 PM

It's alive! IT'S ALIVE!!

I should leave it at that, as I really had given up on this dream machine ever coming to term. But, I check into the vault to see how thick the dust has been getting, and THE BODY MOVED!!!

After having been dissed by the trolls at the Venture Vehicles site, and watching the flag get set up elsewhere, (here,) I resisted the shift and just lurked, peeking in occasionally just in case something akin to progress might show. Weeks went by. Months passed. Years.

Now, I'm glad I took a look, but I'll try to not get ecstatic. Thanks, Derwin, for tending the ember of the V1 all this time. I'm happy to finally be a member of your club. Happy New Year, everyone!

RobH

12-28-2010, 02:16 AM

Another long time, occasional lurker (3+ years) still waiting on that hope train.

I have some idea how incredibly the odds are stacked against any new auto manufacturer, so I am not counting on anything, but oh how I would love to see this one take flight.

mfuredy

12-30-2010, 10:27 AM

Derwin -

I have been watching this site and the Venture/Persu websites off and on since I think 2006 and am really excited about this vehicle. I am a pilot and have worked in the aviation industry for about a decade now and I think that this would be as close to flying (but cheaper) as you can get while staying on the ground. I just watched the video on Jay Leno's Garage and while a little disappointed that it will be another two years I am excited that it is at least showing signs of life. Thanks for keeping things alive here during the long years of silence.

One question...what would be the possibilities of when this comes out of driving over to CA and buying one to bring back to NV. I understand that it will not be sold here at firsto:h"we"ll1?

Jack Willard

12-30-2010, 01:29 PM

One question...what would be the possibilities of when this comes out of driving over to CA and buying one to bring back to NV. I understand that it will not be sold here at firsto:h"we"ll1?

wel;co;m;e101))

How about I buy two and get us both a quantity discount? Then you can pick your's up at my place just over the hill from you. 2thumb:up

mfuredy

12-30-2010, 02:58 PM

wel;co;m;e101))

How about I buy two and get us both a quantity discount? Then you can pick your's up at my place just over the hill from you. 2thumb:up

Your on.

MarkH

12-31-2010, 11:04 AM

I'm just guessing here, but I would bet that everything we know about this vehicle and it's proposed distribution plan should be disregarded as unreliable information until Persue tells us otherwise.

We need to start at square one... Does it really make sense to build a car in the mid-west as Terry indicated they are looking to do and then only release it in California first?

Derwin

12-31-2010, 03:25 PM

TazmanianKoala

01-01-2011, 03:17 AM

I just hope that we will hear one of to sentences from Howard this year.
The first one being "We have a running prototype that is ready to roll on the streets".
The other sentence would be like "We are ready to produce our vehicle".
But the latter one will take some time, I realize.

Derwin

01-03-2011, 07:56 PM

Well, Howard gave me the green light today to release some very exciting news, so without any further delay, here it is.....

In the last 30 days Persu Ventures, Inc. has reached an agreement with the folks at Carver to build an ICE version of this vehicle. Persu plans on coming to market with either a gas or diesel model, with a PHEV version being produced within 12 to 24 months following the ICE version.

Many "older timers" at the club will remember that Persu was prohibited from creating an ICE vehicle by not only the contract they had with Carver, but also by the investors. The investors were only interested in "green" technology, and would not allow an ICE version to be made. So both of these factors prevented development and production of this vehicle. But now Persu is free from these encumbrances and will be putting its efforts behind bringing this type vehicle to market. Persu still has a license agreement with Carver, but that agreement has now been amended to allow for this ICE vehicle.

Although it will not be a hybrid, this vehicle will get approximately 55 to 60 miles per gallon, according to Howard.

That's the big news for now. I know all of us here at the club have been talking about an ICE version for years now. We have always asked why they didn't just do this from the get-go, but it is what it is. I am thrilled that they have finally come to the conclusion that this will be the most prudent way to move forward. And, quite honestly, I don't doubt that the enthusiasts here may have played a tiny role in this decision! I can't say this for certain, but it's just a feeling I have!

Howard and the team will be busy getting this thing done. They have a proposed goal of reaching market in approximately 2 years, and have a great deal of work to do to make this happen. Howard wanted me to pass along that he will not be giving us "daily or weekly updates" on what is happening. He doesn't want to put us in the same position that we were in when this was going on in the past. Promises were made, and then broken. So he will only be giving us vital information at crucial milestones in this process. The next level of funding, the progress with prototypes, and various other items of interest will be revealed to us when they take place. Other than that, though, we will not be hearing from them. And I told Howard that I think this is a very good idea. We surely do not wish to be led on and then disappointed yet again. We all know that we've been there and done that!

So, what do you all think? Are you excited to see them now focus on an ICE version? I am! Do you think they have a better chance getting this produced and to market? I surely do!

Let me know what you think.

Derwin

For those that need to know....

ICE simply stands for "Internal Combustion Engine", which are how most cars on the road are powered. An ICE vehicle is fueled by gasoline or diesel fuel, as opposed to being an electric vehicle or a vehicle powered by some other energy source. PHEV is short for "Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicle", which mean it would be powered by both electric and gas. Hope that helps.

bmwgc1946

01-03-2011, 08:12 PM

I am so ready!!! Give it to me any way they can. I will buy number 2 when the hybrid comes out. Damn 55mph to 60 mph I think that is better than the prius. Tell Howard I want a red one. I will have cash.

Raamster

01-03-2011, 08:22 PM

OK. Will there be a manual option?

The electric version wasn't going to need separate gears, as an electric motor could be engineered to not need it. Not so with an ICE. It's getting hard to find cars with a manual option anymore, as only the most sporting supply enough demand to make it worthwhile. Also, the tilting body would make a conventional manual linkage pretty weird, so I'd guess an electronic shifter would be needed.

willk

01-03-2011, 08:49 PM

elendel

01-03-2011, 09:44 PM

This is so surprising I have to de-lurk for a minute. It's a nice feeling when the every-few-month spot check turns up something - and both fresh and encouraging at the same time. Now I can go back to waiting in anticipation of goodness instead of dread of bad news.

As for the transmission: Give me either a manual, or maybe a nice compact CVT. Don't give me paddle-style shifting if you can't give me smooth shifting as well (I'm looking at you, Smart car).

Tex

01-03-2011, 11:33 PM

I was hoping for a simple drive train like the Carver and 55 to 60 mpg is green enough for me. I was ready to settle for any practical lightweight vehicle but I will wait for a reshaped Carver.

Donald1800

01-04-2011, 01:44 AM

TOSS

01-04-2011, 02:25 AM

Well------- OK, so hears the thing. By the time they get the ICE model out the door I'll be 52. Unless the production values set new records I'll still be waiting on line to buy one when they start selling hybrids (my personal preference anyway). I have no problem at all with a maunal transmission and would go that way if thats what is available, but I am worried that the numbers wont add up to me owning one before I am to old to enjoy it. Now maybe Im being a little negative here but Ive been keeping an eye on this for a while now and I sure have seen some serious funding issues. The odd thing is that I think they could sell every one they make even in the ugliest color you can think of. I mean lets face it. This concept is just stinking cool from every direction. So would I buy one? You bet -- saving the cash right now. Do I care if it's ICE or Hybrid? A little but it wouldnt slow me down at the cash register. Whats my biggest worry? Volume production and retail cost. If the demand is huge and the supply is small the price will be high (economics 101), and when this gets out the demand will be high! So if any of you guys has some perspective on how production can be costed out to produce between 15 and 20 thousand units a month, then I could relax a little. Believe me I would LOVE to be wrong about this one little thing. Keep smiling guys were doing better than we were at thanksgiving. TOSS

Super

01-04-2011, 03:06 AM

I am delighted to see thhe Persu design take the road with any powerplant. If going to conventional internal combusion results in greater feasibility for the project and more opportunity to attract the funds needed to move into production then I am extremely happy to hear that this opportunity is now open. Honestly I had presumed that the dream was dead. I know that many hurdles remain but I think there is a market for this vehicle regardless of how it is fueled and am very happy to hear there remains a chance to eventually fly the road with this design. Hope that this hurdle being cleared opens the road for this to happen.
Super

MikeB

01-04-2011, 07:38 AM

Well-------
A "...good news, bad news..." announcement. I have a subdued sense of excitement. I am ecstatic that this tilting design may be produced in my lifetime. And, I realize that producing an ICE version MAY be the fastest way to get this vehical to market. Yet, the projected 55-65 mpg will do little to help us reduce our weekly fuel bill for just the nessessities. Our fuel bill for a 35 mpg vehical at $3.25/gal will end up the same with the future projected $5 - 6/gal and 55-65 mpg VV1. This ends up a great disappointment. We will need an 80 - 100 mpg vehical soon to reduce our driving fuel bill.

Donald1800

I have to agree with Donald here. This is good news for getting to market with a Persu, but also rather disappointing in the long run.

My current daily commuter is an electric motorbike, and I'm getting the equivalent of 300 MPG. (I can drive 300 miles for the same fuel cost as 1 gallon of gas) Gasoline prices are now expected to hit $4 this summer, and $5/gallon sometime in 2012, which would make my electric commuter get the equivalent of 500 MPG.

Driving the plug-in hybrid version of the Persu, my daily commute would probably deliver numbers in a similar range, 300-500 MPG. Getting 1/10th of that out of a basic ICE is really a major step down. And getting ~60MPG on highway trips is only marginally better than my Volkswagen diesel, which reliably gives over 40 MPG.

As much as I want a Persu, a pure ICE version is very hard for me to justify, cost wise. And I already have 2 motorbikes that tilt just fine.

Mike kZ

01-04-2011, 08:00 AM

This is great news!!! hy:per1) . I too would rather have a hybrid, but putting this ICE out will get the attention of the public sooner, and the faster they can sell them, the quicker a hybrid version will come out.

Derwin

01-04-2011, 08:10 AM

As much as I want a Persu, a pure ICE version is very hard for me to justify, cost wise. And I already have 2 motorbikes that tilt just fine.

Well, this has been the argument/discussion amongst members since we first began the club. Some members love this concept because of its hybrid plug-in capabilities. Others thought that it being a hybrid was a very nice bonus, but nothing more than that. We have a large number of "green" members that just want to see a nice hybrid or all-electric vehicle come to market. And we also have a large number of members who's main desire is to see a FUN vehicle come to market. Personally, I think the ICE version meets the desires of both camps. Will it get 100 mpg? No. But try and find me a vehicle that gets 60 mpg. Motorcycles are even hard pressed to get that. This vehicle will get around 60 mpg and be completely enclosed for every day commuting in all types of weather. Can't say that for a motorcycle, regardless of its tilting capability.

I think they have made a very wise decision in going the ICE route if it means getting to market faster and cheaper. Those that are PHEV enthusiasts should praise this decision as well if it means seeing the PHEV version come to market soon after.

And the best thing about this (in my humble opinion) is that this is not merely another box car, cookie-cutter type vehicle. This is a vehicle that is actually FUN to drive and gives a person a new driving sensation. That simply cannot be said for anything currently on the market.

I too would rather have a hybrid, but putting this ICE out will get the attention of the public sooner, and the faster they can sell them, the quicker a hybrid version will come out.

And this is exactly how I feel. Sure, I would prefer a hybrid, but I would not hesitate a moment in buying the ICE version. And they made this decision for many reasons, I would guess. First, it is so much more costly to produce a PHEV vehicle. Battery power alone drives the cost through the roof. But they still need an ICE to run the hydraulics, which is not as easy as some of you think. Their budget simply will not allow for the development and production of the PHEV vehicle at this time. And the hydraulics involved are another issue altogether.

Having an ENCLOSED vehicle that has the tilting capability of the Carver is a dream vehicle. The fact that it will get around 60 mpg takes it to the next level of INCREDIBLE!

We'll now have many months to kick this around and discuss other related things. But at least now we have something real to talk about! lol

josepht

01-04-2011, 08:20 AM

I want one no matter what the powerplant is. Just a thought, is there any chance of a natural gas model coming out? Or a compressed air system?.................just saying

Hoosier

01-04-2011, 08:23 AM

at some point in the future. But I can't help but feel some disappointment too because many of us have been following this vehicle for several years now and almost unanimously wanted an electric or hybrid version. It saddens me to think that the first edition of the V1 will be an ICE and will be snapped up by people who haven't had the emotional investment and attachment that the loyal folks of this club have had. This club IS Persu and it just doesn't seem right that most of us are being forced to take a pass on the initial version.

Anyone else feel a little cheated here or am I not seeing the forrest for the trees?

Derwin

01-04-2011, 08:33 AM

at some point in the future. But I can't help but feel some disappointment too because many of us have been following this vehicle for several years now and almost unanimously wanted an electric or hybrid version. .... This club IS Persu and it just doesn't seem right that most of us are being forced to take a pass on the initial version.

While it is true that club members have indeed been unanimous about wanting an electric or hybrid version of this vehicle, it is NOT true that we would pass on an ICE version. Actually, to the contrary! I have heard from scores of members over the years that complained about the fact Persu was not making an ICE version as its first model. If I had a dollar for ever time a member asked about an ICE version, I would probably have enough money to buy a used Carver! lol

Anyone else feel a little cheated here or am I not seeing the forrest for the trees?

I would simply ask this of you.... If there was a choice between this vehicle not being made at all, in any format, and it being made first with an ICE, and then PHEV, what would you choose? Would you rather they just close up shop and not make any vehicle at all? Making the ICE version will give them the chance to get A VEHICLE on the market and generate some cash flow. Once the money begins flowing in, then they will have what it takes to get the PHEV to market. This is a WIN/WIN for everybody!

MikeB

01-04-2011, 09:26 AM

I would simply ask this of you.... If there was a choice between this vehicle not being made at all, in any format, and it being made first with an ICE, and then PHEV, what would you choose?

Oh, I think there's no question that we'd rather see the ICE version followed by a hybrid, as opposed to nothing. And if building the ICE version is the fastest path to getting the hybrid done, then that's the path I want to see followed. It's just disappointing that the ICE version seems to be a required stepping stone. Yea, many people don't care about they hybrid aspect, so there will be plenty of customers for the ICE model. But there's also a good number of customers who aren't as excited by a pure ICE version, and they have to wait longer.

Given what I already own, I probably won't be buying the ICE version, but will wait until the hybrid comes out. That means a wait of at least 3-4 years for my dream toy, rather than just 2. I'd love to be one of the first to have a Persu, and there's a good chance that most of the people who've been on this forum for any time would be among the first adopters, but now I think i won't be one of them.

WarpedOne

01-04-2011, 09:36 AM

OK, how exactly will this V1 be different from carvers then?
I'm not complaining, just asking ... :P

Derwin

01-04-2011, 09:44 AM

OK, how exactly will this V1 be different from carvers then? I'm not complaining, just asking ... :P

It's a guess, but I would say that they will be making various improvements on handling, etc, along with the obvious body design change.

Other than that, I don't see much difference. But I'm sure they'll be giving us more details in the coming months.

Firedawg

01-04-2011, 09:51 AM

Well like I posted before in another thread, I don't care what it runs on as long as I can drive it. I am however glad they did not take me literally and make it run on kittens and baby tears ;)

Hoosier

01-04-2011, 09:54 AM

I would simply ask this of you.... If there was a choice between this vehicle not being made at all, in any format, and it being made first with an ICE, and then PHEV, what would you choose? Would you rather they just close up shop and not make any vehicle at all? Making the ICE version will give them the chance to get A VEHICLE on the market and generate some cash flow. Once the money begins flowing in, then they will have what it takes to get the PHEV to market. This is a WIN/WIN for everybody!

Don't get me wrong, I am thrilled that the company's condition is being upgraded. And from Persu's viewpoint, I can certainly see the logic in producing an ICE first. But MikeB and I are of like mind on this; an ICE version just doesn't interest me. I wish them all the best and hope that one day I can Fly The Road in a hybred version. Hopefully that happens sooner rather than later. Until then, pass. It's gonna kill me seeing some yokel driving one around my town knowing he has know clue what it took for it to come to fruition and how big of a part this forum (and members much more dedicated than me) played.

Dutchy

01-04-2011, 10:38 AM

ICE first: Good plan! Obvious too...

Why not make a quickly detachable motorpod, start with ICE followed lateron by hybrid, Li-electric, EEstor electric etc.
Extra pods could be bought and applied depending on the destination/goal of the trip.
Eg. Electric pod for within city trips/shopping, ICE for long distance trips.

Upgrade your car as needed.

Now that I think of it: legal issues with registration/taxation will certainly kill this idea. Too bad... Let's not wait for the lawmakers!

Anyway, the current plan has no blind spots, is perfectly feasable, given enough time and money.

Make it so !

Timon

01-04-2011, 11:45 AM

I want one no matter what the powerplant is. Just a thought, is there any chance of a natural gas model coming out? Or a compressed air system?.................just saying

Amen to that! It does not take much to make an engine work on Natural Gas, the biggest thing you need to worry about is harden valve and valve seats, but it should be made as a bi-fuel option so if your in an area that does not have any CNG stations you can still get fuel.

If they put a tank under the floor where I think they were going to put the batteries then the chassis the tanks should big enough to get good range. You can put the first stage regulator, 3,600 psi to 150 psi, there so the fuel line to the engine compartment does not have to be a high pressure one.

Anyway I'm still not going to hold my breath but maybe, just maybe something may happen.

The best point about CNG is the cost. Right now I'm paying $1.99/GGE for my CivicGX and I get 34MPG which is not bad. I figure that with 60MPG and a 6 gallon tank I should see an easy 300 miles on a tank.

Miracleman89

01-04-2011, 06:01 PM

Make it old school!!!! give me a foot pedal clutch and a 5 or 6 speed shifter!!!! Then it is on!!!!!!dr:ive1) I would love to rip through gears shooting the curves in this thing!!! dr:ive1)Thank god they came around to the ICE design! Us old timers have been saying it for years!!! And I can't wait to see what kinds of modifications can and will be made to the ICE to make it go faster!!!!!!!!:burning:rubber:

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bmwgc1946

01-04-2011, 07:51 PM

I know there are a few old timers out there. I am 64 Years Young. My first Motorcycle in 1967 +/- was a Honda 305 Super hawk (It took me to the original <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place>Woodstock</st1:place></st1:City> –another story). Honda was getting their wheels under them. Look at them now. I see this vehicle as a game changer for fun and a real commuter green vehicle. There is no question in my mind that this vehicle WILL FLY. Let the I.C.E come soon. to build the bridge to the future. Jay is right this is a unique vehicle that will first get the attention of the young at heart with a zest for life. You need to start with a vehicle that will get some people excited. Once others see this on the road it will be contagious. I want power to cruise comfortable at 75MPH and tilt the horizon in the <st1:place>Berkshire</st1:place> mountain roads. If I had millions I would be bagging on their doors to get a piece of this action. My gut says this is going to happen and I bet in less then 2 years. Did you buy a mega millions ticket? I did. LOL

Raamster

01-04-2011, 09:04 PM

Warped One- I'd expect that since the Carver is an older, largely hand-built and small volume production item, and the Persu is to be a newer, much higher volume, assembly-line type vehicle, that the Persu will be a more thoroughly worked-out machine with more modern conveniences and more reliable unit-to-unit consistency. I expect it will be feature-packed, with lighter component pieces than the Carver, while being a whole lot safer.

Beyond that is where talent comes into play, and then, luck! Boy, do I wish them a lot of luck!!

Super

01-04-2011, 09:23 PM

Totally agree with you bmwgc1946. I would prefer a hybrid. I am very concerned about oil addiction. When they were offering them, my pre-order was for an all-electric. I own an all-electric Pulse/Litestar. But starting with 60 mpg ain't bad and the ability to evolve to include other powerplants is better than losing this vehicle completely. Lots of companies have played with the idea of a small 3 wheeler that shields you from the weather and other people's bumpers, but I don't see one for sale right now. Even though I'd love Paul Allen or some similarly rich visionary to just drop enough dime for Persu to go for the whole enchillada, since that hasn't happened yet I'm more than happy for the chance to shake the system up as much as possible. If the bridge has a little ICE on it, I still want to get to the other side.

willk

01-04-2011, 10:10 PM

Jack Willard

01-05-2011, 08:32 AM

Strap a 'busa engine in it and give me 30 mpg and I'm happy as a clam. I don't care if it's all electric, hybrid, ICE, or what ever alternate fuels there are available. I just want fly around the corners with some power under the, er, hood. Like they said, it's the leading edge, not the bleeding edge.

Hayabusa powered is EXACTLY what I would like! With that, I would not need to add my afterburner. :burning:rubber:
I rode in a Hayabusa powered sandrail a couple of years ago, and I can tell you first hand that THAT was just like firing a ROCKET! Can you even imagine reaching 0-60 mph in like ONE SECOND? j:a:w:drop(((12thumb:up

Yes, that would actually be too much power. It would be way too dangerous for most to handle on the open public road. But having that much power at one's disposal, and then only playing with it in a "mostly responsible" way, would be SO... cool.

I can imagine putting such an engine into the Persu ICE version. That would be a fun aftermarket project.

tomaten

01-05-2011, 08:36 AM

How old is this video from Jay Leno? I see there always the original Carver One and not a new Hybrid Version, like Persu Venture would like to build.

Mike kZ

01-05-2011, 08:41 AM

How old is this video from Jay Leno? I see there always the original Carver One and not a new Hybrid Version, like Persu Venture would like to build.

It was filmed Dec 4th 2010. The Persu Venture has not been built yet, they use the Carver One to show the technology.

mariner13

01-05-2011, 08:55 AM

Hayabusa powered is EXACTLY what I would like! With that, I would not need to add my afterburner. :burning:rubber:
I can imagine putting such an engine into the Persu ICE version. That would be a fun aftermarket project.

Jack,
You are thinking just like me on this. Might want AB anyway for it's "COOL " factor!

tomaten

01-05-2011, 09:51 AM

It was filmed Dec 4th 2010. The Persu Venture has not been built yet, they use the Carver One to show the technology.

I think the technology from Persu was the Hybrid Engine, not the chassis. An this vehicle was a original Carver One. So there are many years still no real prototype.

TOSS

01-05-2011, 10:41 AM

In the end this cool vehicle will succeed or fail based on production. If they make a ton of them every month and meet demand without killing us on the price everybody wins! Anything else will be a sad let down. That said its just unendingly cool and I'd take one that's squirrel powered (as long as they are robust squirrels). TOSS

Derwin

01-05-2011, 10:49 AM

I think the technology from Persu was the Hybrid Engine, not the chassis. An this vehicle was a original Carver One. So there are many years still no real prototype.

I suggest you check out this thread.... http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/showthread.php?5322-Can-somebody-say...

Persu has indeed created prototypes, and has been testing them for a while now.

tomaten

01-05-2011, 12:52 PM

I suggest you check out this thread.... http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/showthread.php?5322-Can-somebody-say...

Ok, thank you.

willk

01-05-2011, 01:41 PM

Hayabusa powered is EXACTLY what I would like! With that, I would not need to add my afterburner. :burning:rubber:
I rode in a Hayabusa powered sandrail a couple of years ago, and I can tell you first hand that THAT was just like firing a ROCKET! Can you even imagine reaching 0-60 mph in like ONE SECOND? j:a:w:drop(((12thumb:up

Yes, that would actually be too much power. It would be way too dangerous for most to handle on the open public road. But having that much power at one's disposal, and then only playing with it in a "mostly responsible" way, would be SO... cool.

I can imagine putting such an engine into the Persu ICE version. That would be a fun aftermarket project.

Maybe have two modes (think veyron). At the push of a button you can have full power for straight lines but then the power is cut when you get to the twisty bits

Jonesy Wales

01-05-2011, 04:44 PM

Jack Willard:-

"Hayabusa powered is EXACTLY what I would like! With that, I would not need to add my afterburner.

I can imagine putting such an engine into the Persu ICE version. That would be a fun aftermarket project."

Looks like it may have already been done?..... :burning:rubber:

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I'm another one that's pleased that they are going with an ICE to start with. It will save on cost and development hassle and thus get done quicker.

The only reason I'd part with significant amounts of cash to buy one of these vehicles is for major motoring enjoyment.

I'm a biker, I rack up a lot of miles each year on two wheels, mostly for pleasure. This vehicle would fulfill a similar role for me (not that I wouldn't use it for all other daily commutes as well of course).

If I primarily wanted to go green or was worried about saving some bucks on milage I could just buy a modern micro-car/hybrid/electric by a major manufacturer and save on overall cash and also have an abundant dealer network.

I think most buyers would be buying the Persu for it's unique fun factor and wouldn't shell out the money for it's green credentials

I think Jay Leno alluded to the same ideas in terms of likely buyers (hence his comment about 100+bhp)

So, just mine and Jay's humble opinionagr:1 ;-)

BTW Derwin, appreciate all your hard work, the news of the revival made my Xmas 2thumb:up

Derwin

01-05-2011, 05:15 PM

Watching that video reminded me again about just how incredibly exciting this vehicle is.

I know we have this posted somewhere in the club already, but I had to post this old Carver Promo video again!....

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Jonesy Wales

01-06-2011, 04:00 AM

Watching that video reminded me again about just how incredibly exciting this vehicle is.

I love this one for the quote at the end , it's priceless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb-MIuXTlEs

tomaten

01-06-2011, 04:22 AM

Whats this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfmg53kPJMg

Jonesy Wales

01-06-2011, 06:41 AM

Whats this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfmg53kPJMg

The 'Clever' was a project car developed by the University of Bath (UK) that was taken on by BMW as a concept vehicle. There's loads of info on it if you do a google search. A poor attempt to copy the Carver as it turns out...

http://www.tiltingvehicle.net/overview.html

The Carver itself got a beautiful make over by the Japanese company Phiaro.

http://www.iol.co.za:80/motoring/bikes-quads-karts/3-wheeler-steers-like-a-car-leans-like-a-bike-1.869082

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nql1Jw3NB3A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUP5260L3jY&feature=related

Derwin

01-06-2011, 08:02 AM

Whats this?

We've been talking about the clever forever. Here's a thread from 2007 if you care to find out more...

http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/showthread.php?108-Clever&highlight=clever

Please use that thread if you want to talk about the defunct clever project.

Baja_Traveler

01-06-2011, 09:02 PM

Well, after the demise of Persu I still popped my head in here every month or so. Imagine my surprise when on the main page I see the Jay Leno video. I figured it had to be years old... Then I see this post in the forums! Can't believe it - what a great late christmas present.

Now, some of you don't see the economics in an ICE version of this vehicle, but me - I drive a big diesel F250 everyday, and drop $140 a week at the gas station. I'd be going from 16 mpg to 55 or 60 mpg! Huge improvement! I had pretty much resigned myself to looking for a Jetta TDI, then figuring out where the heck I'd park it. but now the dream is back! Beyond the coolness of the ride, a major attraction for me is the compactness of the platform.

I guess I'll have to pop in more often from now on.

tomaten

01-07-2011, 03:02 AM

... I drive a big diesel F250 everyday, and drop $140 a week at the gas station ...

In Germany you need a bank credit to drive this car! We have a high gas tax. My Audi A4 takes 4-5 l/100 km, but I think that even that is too much.

This brings me to my original question. Is there already a technology preview of the hybrid technology?

Derwin

01-07-2011, 08:02 AM

Well, after the demise of Persu I still popped my head in here every month or so. Imagine my surprise when on the main page I see the Jay Leno video.

I guess I'll have to pop in more often from now on.

Good to hear from you again, Baja!

Hopefully we'll be seeing more good news in the coming months, so check back often.

hedger65

01-07-2011, 09:34 AM

Hello Derwin & fellow Persu backers! I too have kept an eye on this project for sometime and hope it will come sooner than later. I have just re-registered to keep in on all that's new and hope for great things in the near future. Good luck to all of us!

Hedger65

Tim Hodgetts

01-07-2011, 02:11 PM

Hi Derwin,

Hope you had a great Festive season and hope springs eternal for the New Year! The Jay Leno feature certainly lends itself to optimism. Thanks for the Carver video with my friend & former boss Frank Vermeulen. I didn't see Jenson Button on the video though, it's a good one if you can get hold of it. When Jenson got into the Carver for the first time, he found it a bit weird to begin with but took to it quickly. We both had a good time with the shoot on some fantastic roads in Spain.

Bye for now,

Tim

Derwin

01-07-2011, 02:35 PM

Nice to hear from you again, Tim! Hope things have been going well for you after the Carver work. I would love to see the Jenson video. For some reason the video I posted is mislabeled.

If you have any other videos or materials, please contact me. Thanks.

Derwin

LanceTheThrottleTrekker

01-11-2011, 11:54 AM

I had the pleasure to drive a carver one 2 years ago in itally and have been hooked ever since. I even nearly completed the steps to import one to the states I had the bug so bad.. the company took a dip and I bought some motorcycles instead. I'm commited to pick one of these up here stateside if they roll out with them with Carver like prices. Personally the heck with the hybred outlook for something like this.. seriously look at the target market to roll this out.. people who want to have fun. and have power and range. This is a fun car and I wasnt thinking about how many rabbits could live in a peaceful medow when I was driving it... It was like being high with a permasmile which is the only reason I would buy one here. Give me HP or give me death.. or both as long as I have a smile

Derwin

01-16-2011, 08:09 AM

Welcome to the club, Lance! wel;co;m;e101))

I'm glad you found us.

FYI... The Persu vehicle that is going to be made available here in the states will have a price tag far less than the hand-made Carver One. Howard told me that they should be selling for around $24 to $25 thousand, which really isn't too bad.

Be sure to bookmark us and check back often!

Derwin

willk

01-18-2011, 04:09 PM

Did Howard mention anything about power, like whether or not they are increasing it from the standard Carver?

Derwin

01-18-2011, 07:46 PM

I would think there may be an slight upgrade in power, but I really have no idea.

I'll ask him about this next time we talk.

paulcummings55

01-19-2011, 12:14 AM

I had wondered last year, with Venture One/Pursu having issues getting a hybrid vehicle to work, and with the demise of the company that actually built the Carver, if Persu's rights might be changed to build an ICE version. This should have been the plan from the get-go, to start simple and then expand outward- a vehicle that gets 60 mpg is step in the right direction- they can do a hybrid or BEV version once battery costs and technology improve, which I would eventually want- in the meantime, I agree- this is a win-win decision, though I do not see a battery version that soon afterwards happening- but that's okay- if they can be successful with an ICE version, it will come in due time. I have been wanting one of these cars for years- it's nice to see them back on track.

FracturedKoi

01-20-2011, 11:35 AM

Howdy all! I've been quietly watching and following the ups and downs of Venture/Persu Mobility/Ventures for quite some time now and I'm excited, excited, excited about this vehicle. There isn't a product in the market or in the pipelines anywhere else that looks this exciting and fun.

Needless to say, I was thrilled when I saw Jay driving a Carver that was supplied as a prototype for the Persu. I had given up when I read about the bankruptcy, but seeing that has given me some hope that I might actually be able to own one of these one day soon.

Do we have any sort of ETA on a potential release date at all yet, or would a better question to ask be something along the lines of, so what's the most recent news? Thanks for the club and for taking the time to read my lil post =D

~Mike

Derwin

01-20-2011, 03:43 PM

Welcome to the club, Mike! wel;co;m;e101))

Hopefully we'll be hearing about some progress soon.

Derwin

Baja_Traveler

01-23-2011, 10:07 AM

Welcome to the club Mike -

As a koi keeper myself, I'd like to know how you managed to fracture yours... :)

FracturedKoi

01-25-2011, 11:11 AM

Derwin and Baja,

Thanks for the warm welcome. Been meaning to create an account here for several years, but didn't because I could see all the updates without being registered til recently...so I wanted to keep tabs on progress xD

Baja, sorry to inform you, but I don't keep any koifish. My screenname started as a bit of an in-joke at work...it's a long story, but suffice to say that one of our Asian employees was constantly laying out claiming she had broke or hurt something and we kinda started poking fun a little bit. I know...bad taste xD.

But as I said, I'm very interested in getting one of these once they hit market. I can only hope they are sold in my area, Alabama. Looks like it would be a very fun drive!

Ronzo

01-27-2011, 07:27 AM

You guys need to check out the flytheroad.com (http://www.flytheroad.com) page... they have updated a bunch of stuff. Like some or the stuff on the list that we have asked for such as Four point seat belts. And a big one on the ICE.
"Persu’s first model utilizes a two-cylinder, four stroke, 80 horsepower (“HP”) internal combustion engine, with an option to upgrade to a 120 HP, turbocharged version."But I won't mention any more -go see-=y:

Derwin

01-27-2011, 03:25 PM

Ronzo is correct. By the way, Welcome to the club! wel;co;m;e101))

Here's more information from their page...

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Gen II: http://www.flytheroad.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.flytheroad.com/images/spacer.gifPlug-in Hybrid

After extensive market research and rigorous risk management exercises, management has determined that in order to effectively maximize product development and optimize market penetration, the Company will release a Vehicle that utilizes an internal combustion engine (“ICE”) prior to releasing a plug-in hybrid electric (“PHEV”) model.
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As such, Persu’s first model utilizes a two-cylinder, four stroke, 80 horsepower (“HP”) internal combustion engine, with an option to upgrade to a 120 HP, turbocharged version.

The validated performance specifications for Persu’s ICE model are as follows:
1. acceleration from 0 to 60 mph in less than six seconds
2. top speed of 100+ mph
3. fuel economy of at least 55 miles per gallon (“MPG”)
4. total driving range of up to 330 miles on a six gallon tank of gas

Persu will continue to develop a second generation model that utilizes a plug-in hybrid electric propulsion system which would sell for a premium over the ICE versions. The PHEV version of the V3 is expected to have comparable performance, but with much greater fuel efficiency, achieving approximately 100 MPG.

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Derwin

01-27-2011, 03:29 PM

Remember that all you members heard it HERE first, before this was made public.

It's just another sign that Howard and the Persu team will be letting us in on new and exciting developments long before they release it to the general public.

This club is the place to be if you desire up to date information about this vehicle. thu:mbs:up:22

Derwin

bmwgc1946

01-27-2011, 08:07 PM

Pleas check out the home page. www.flytheroad.com (http://www.flytheroad.com/) . It is now the Persu V3. What I find most impressive is the Management Team. The Carver Team (inventors) of the tilting technology is part of the group. Everyone else also have stellar credentials. Even the Director of safety an old NHTSA official means they are really trying to get the rule changed to favor enclosed three wheelers and cover their bases for safety. That really gives me confidence that this is really a go. JUST WHEN? I WANT IT NOW.

MVRacing

01-27-2011, 08:42 PM

JUST WHEN? I WANT IT NOW.

From the web site "Frequently Asked Questions"

"When can I get a Persu V3?
Production vehicles are targeted for a 2014 model release."

Naturally I'm hoping that means initial delivery late summer or fall of 2013!!

Derwin

01-27-2011, 08:55 PM

What I find most impressive is the Management Team. The Carver Team (inventors) of the tilting technology is part of the group. Everyone else also have stellar credentials.

Yep. This is what I tried to point out a few weeks ago. Howard said that they had the people from Carver on board, as well as many other top-notch people. I believe they are VERY serious about this.

Production vehicles are targeted for a 2014 model release."

Naturally I'm hoping that means initial delivery late summer or fall of 2013!!

Yeah, I would agree with you. According to Howard, this vehicle should hit the streets in 2013. Boy, this club will be celebrating its 6th anniversary by then! lol

Derwin

MikeB

01-28-2011, 06:53 AM

From the web site "Frequently Asked Questions"

They also clearly stated a target price of $25,000, which I think is quite reasonable.

However, I'm horrified to see that the 'tilting cupholder' section of the FAQ has been edited out.

Mike kZ

01-28-2011, 07:20 AM

Even tho I registered a long time ago on www.flytheroad.com (http://www.flytheroad.com/) , I just re-registered just in case, anyone else?

Firedawg

01-28-2011, 07:26 AM

Even tho I registered a long time ago on www.flytheroad.com (http://www.flytheroad.com/) , I just re-registered just in case, anyone else?

I was totally on the same page Mike. I will be registering again so that I can be sure I am on the list.

Jack Willard

01-28-2011, 08:49 AM

I'm leaving my registration from 2008, which keeps me way ahead of those that registered later.

I wonder if the 120 HP turbocharger upgrade :burning:rubber: is an add-on that can be done later? Everything depends on what the costs are going to be when it finally happens. 2014? Gawd... what a long time to continue waiting...... :(

I am squeezing as many miles as I can out of my Accord V6 (187K now) so I don't have to blow all the saved $$ on an interim commute vehicle.

Firedawg

01-28-2011, 09:35 AM

Everyone should at least go and look at the pre-register form on the FTR site. You can select what model you want and there are 3 options to choose from.

80 HP - $25,000
120 HP - $27,000
T/C Luxury - $30,000

That does not mean that those are the set in stone model choices or final prices but the simple fact that it is on their pre-order form I think speaks volumes.

Derwin

01-28-2011, 10:19 AM

I'm leaving my registration from 2008, which keeps me way ahead of those that registered later.

That's a good idea. I"m one of those that registered way back in 2007, and I don't want to re-register now and screw that up!

denisg

01-28-2011, 01:07 PM

This is all great news. Looks like I'll be getting this vehicle just before I retire. Now I'll have something to do when I get tired of
listening to my wife yelling at me to get a hobby. LOL

paulcummings55

01-29-2011, 01:05 AM

Yeah, I re-registered as well- since I live in Texas, it will probably be a longer wait for us anyway, especially since California seems to always get the fun stuff first! Though, if I remember aright, on the Jay Leno interview, I think he mentioned posibly building this someplace in the Mid-West. Hmmm. Perhaps the rollout will not be California-centric after all!

Kevonthedex

01-29-2011, 04:21 AM

Wot if.you live in the uk can u still register for it because the address part dose not have uk init???

josepht

01-29-2011, 08:02 AM

I'm 66 years old now, I can only hope they bring this vehicle out (Florida) before it's to late for me.......Love it

Jack Willard

01-29-2011, 08:04 AM

Looks like I'll be getting this vehicle just before I retire.

We must be the about the same age... I just turned 60. But because I've decided to work until 70.5, at least I will get a few years using the Persu as intended, as a really fun commute car.

Thanks for the prices Firedawg. Hmm... I just blew $1168 to boost the horsepower on my Banshee quad from 38 to over 70. Would I spend an extra $2000 on the Persu to boost the horsepower from 80 to 120? Well..., knowing how I am, probably YES!

Jack Willard

01-29-2011, 08:13 AM

I'm 66 years old now, I can only hope they bring this vehicle out (Florida) before it's to late for me.......Love it

Do you know at what age one qualifies as "older than dirt"? I just need to know...

Jack Willard

01-29-2011, 08:21 AM

Wot if.you live in the uk can u still register for it because the address part dose not have uk init???

You must either be an avid "texter", a teenager, or something of the like. Any chance you are capable of posting that which can be read in complete English? No offense intended.

Derwin

01-29-2011, 08:30 AM

Wot if.you live in the uk can u still register for it because the address part dose not have uk init???

I would think that this is for U.S. only registration. But, hey, I guess you can still try to register for it, and use the address of a friend in the U.S.!

josepht

01-29-2011, 11:54 AM

Dirt is considered by most to be about 4 billion years old, so I guess we have a ways to go yet.

idavidw

01-29-2011, 06:42 PM

Derwin

01-29-2011, 08:47 PM

They are not out of business, like howard said on page three, they are still going. they are expecting to launch the vehicle by 2014 with preorders in 2013, at a price of around $25,000. I am eagerly anticipating the launch of the V3 :whoohoo:

Yes. Persu is alive and well and working toward getting this vehicle on the market. This was first announced here at the club back in December, and it has provided a burst of new enthusiasm to many of us!

By the way, welcome to the club, idavedw! wel;co;m;e101))

Derwin

Firedawg

01-31-2011, 08:19 AM

Just saw that they have added many new color options to choose from on the FTR home page bringing the total to 12 color options. Way to go Venture Bros!!! Already they are making the small steps to allow the PV3 to be personalized. It's the small things in life that bring the most joy :)

bbhunter2

01-31-2011, 08:45 AM

Yes, I re-registered on the site also. Still patiently waiting.

dr4

02-01-2011, 01:53 PM

"Change is painful, but ever needful, and if memory have it's worth, so also does hope" Thomas Carlyle
As a long term member of Fly-The-Road I am happy to see everyone out of the "no VV" doldrums. However, sadly, I must note that we've all been down this road before. I hope that the "new" company is not just a repeat of the old one. Also sadly, I fear that this current target date of 2014 will be a case of too little too late for me. I do hope that this dream is fulfilled for the sake of all the members of this club. Let's hope that Leno likes the Carver enough to plow some of his money into this future venture instead of collecting all those relics of the past. When he does, I may start to believe again.2thumb:up

Derwin

02-01-2011, 02:20 PM

As a long term member of Fly-The-Road I am happy to see everyone out of the "no VV" doldrums. However, sadly, I must note that we've all been down this road before. I hope that the "new" company is not just a repeat of the old one.

Yep. You are a long time member, and you've pretty much seen everything that's gone on over the years, good and bad! But I would say we've absolutely not been down this road before, at least not exactly. This new company has brought on people that are not only well qualified, but have experience in raising hundreds of millions of dollars. They no longer have the restriction on them for creating an electric or hybrid vehicle that they had under the old contract, along with the restrictions placed on them by the old investors. The company is now focusing on producing a ICE vehicle using the Carver technology, which should be much easier to put together and also to market. There are many other reasons why we can believe this is not merely another trip down that same road, but I guess the only sure proof of that would be them actually getting this car developed and on the market!

Stick in there, dr4. I think this time we have a very good chance at success!

Derwin

dr4

02-01-2011, 11:13 PM

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the Carver design as is. If they would produce it for a price I could afford, say $25K to $35K, I'd go for it in a minute. I wouldn't even ask for more horsepower! Also, I'm wondering how they were able to get a permit to operate the Carver on our roads.:wave:

Derwin

02-02-2011, 06:00 AM

Also, I'm wondering how they were able to get a permit to operate the Carver on our roads.:wave:

Persu has had a license as a MANUFACTURER for years now. That allows them to drive any kind of prototype on the roads, including the Carver vehicles.

josepht

02-02-2011, 08:02 AM

Derwin

02-02-2011, 08:05 AM

I thought they were trying to produce a vehicle for under 20K and it would get about 65 mpg with the ICE . Now it appears they are talking 25K and 50 MPG. What happened to change the product already? just saying

They never stated that the ICE vehicle would be under 20K, so I don't know where you're getting that information.
And I was originally told by Howard that they are aiming for this vehicle to get between 55 and 60 miles per gallon.

Where did you get those numbers from?

Derwin

josepht

02-02-2011, 08:12 AM

those numbers have been kicked around in this forum for awhile now. maybe from members, I am not quite sure. I would have to go back and locate the statements. although 55 to 60 ain't bad

Derwin

02-02-2011, 08:27 AM

Yes. Those numbers have been kicked around, but not recently about this new ICE vehicle. We just found out about this last month.

Anyway, the new ICE vehicle has projected numbers of around 55mpg and a retail price tag of around $25K

Super

02-03-2011, 12:41 AM

SOLD!!!

Though it would be nice if were $50 and flew. But I'm willing to settle. :^)

Firedawg

02-05-2011, 09:11 PM

I don't care if it gets 5 MPG, I am getting one. I am already starting to save up for it. I have my first born to sell if needs be ;)

paulcummings55

02-28-2011, 11:03 PM

As Derwin has alluded to, the 65mpg was probably bandied about BEFORE their change to bringing an ICE version to production first. Originally, the company (then Venture One) did not have a license for an ICE version- only a hybrid or pure BEV version- the hybrid version, by definition, would get higher gas mileage than the 50mpg the ICE version is projected to get. But as they found out, developing any version with a battery was not an easy task, both because of the small form factor and the cost of the battery. Now that they have a license for an ICE version as well, they are smart, I think, to start with that and develop the hybrid and/or BEV version later, with gained experise and, hopefully, lower battery costs;-)

Wccfly

03-01-2011, 03:53 PM

Great to hear it . Long time since I've been around. Started on the original flytheroad forum in 06. Back then the Volkswagen Gx3 was newly defunct,what a shame! Read on the internet the fear of liability litigation and the blurred line between motorcycle and car was the main problems. A rag top and A/C is all it needed to be practical. Aptera only had a picture up on their site and less than 50 words describing their prototype product. I filled out another preregistration form, and think an initial I.C.E. version would be perfect if it will get the companies name out.
I think we need to start somewhere , going in the right direction. The ICE will not get 100mpg plus , but it will get 10 mpg more than my motorcycle. And with enclosed cockpit and A/C I can drive it in all temperatures. Snow might be a problem but thats what my truck is for. I waited 5 years and finally bought a motorcycle instead. If things go right it will be another 5 yrs. before we can purchase one here in Arkansas and I would gladly trade my motorcycle in for one.2thumb:up

smoove7410

03-02-2011, 02:18 AM

^^I remember the GX3....god I wanted one. I was extremely disappointed when the lawyers canned it.

RawNRG

05-02-2011, 09:42 AM

When the time comes I will have cash in hand ready to buy one.
I've been poking my head in here every so often to check status and pretty much gave up when I heard they went bankrupt. To see the new info and once again have hope it wonderfull. I just hope I don't have to go to California to get it. I will if necessary, but I'd rather get one closer to the midwest.
NOTE: It would be cheaper to build there as well.

Raw NRG

bigbandjohn

05-03-2011, 09:48 AM

I gave up late last year with the "out of business" news and such. Now on a whim I stop by here and they are back... 2 days after I bought a new car! I wish I had known because I would have purchased a vastly less expensive vehicle to have money aside for when this may come out. I hope this isn't a case of raising our hopes again only to be crushed. I registered for the Venture. Do I need to reregister for the new Persu?

smoove7410

05-03-2011, 04:07 PM

^I wouldn't get your hopes up. While doing an ICE is a lot easier, producing an automobile is extremely difficult. Funding is another issue. We can hope, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Firedawg

05-03-2011, 09:09 PM

Smoove quit being such a kill joy man. This is by far THE BEST shot this vehicle has EVER had. The car was featured on Leno, they are doing an easier to build and produce ICE and the company is headed by a freaking Rocket Scientist! What more do you want? Give them a break.

You can not hold this current company, or management, responsible for the last companies failures. They are not just picking up where the last company left off. They have to redesign and start from scratch with funding. They are going it a completely different route and it looks like they have a great shot at getting it done this time.

Just hold your pessimism for about a year from now please.

RawNRG

05-08-2011, 08:49 AM

Actually this build is much easier. They have a running "prototype" atm. Granted it's the Carver, but that gives them a really good starting point. What they are baisically doing is adapting the Carver to meet US regulations and make it capable of automated assembly. I fully expect them to have a suitable vehicle in the needed time frame. The only concern I would have it about production.

Setting up an entire assembly plant for a completly new kind of vehicle is difficult and expensive. Even if they lease as much as they possibly can it will cost millions of dollars to establish. Now, they should be able to get some real concessions from any state and city they decide to build it in as the manufacturing industry took a major hit with the economy, but that only helps with the taxes and the cost of the facility. The real expenses are the machines that build the car and the materials to build them. This will be an outlaying of money for several months before they are able to sell even one V3.

Fortunatly these are all knowlegable men, and experts in their field. So long as the money holds out, or at least looks like it can be recouped the project will continue. I plan to be driving a V3 in 2014, and I will believe that until it either happens or 2015.

Raw

bmwgc1946

05-08-2011, 02:58 PM

(Howard are you listening)

Come to Massachusetts Home of the Indian Motorcycle and A123 Lithium Batteries (You will be ready for V4). Liberal government willing to give tax benefits highly trained technical work force. The Northeast & California lead the country in their pursuit of green solutions and percentage of motorcycle enthusiast is high start on each coast and you can spread out to the middle.

mark84gti1

05-09-2011, 12:51 AM

Or come to West Michigan, home of LG Chem (http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2010/03/lg_chem_to_build_1st_north_ame.html) and Johnson Controls-Saft (http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2009/04/johnson_controlssaft_advanced_1.html) in Holland, plus fortu PowerCell (http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2010/03/battery_company_fortu_powercel.html) in Muskegon all battery manufacturers, plus the huge existing supplier base for the automotive industry that would not only supply but would also design every part. and of course the tax breaks that Michigan would give.

2highcal

05-11-2011, 04:34 PM

RawNRG

05-16-2011, 01:12 PM

Love how in the video with Jay Leno they say it will be produced in 'the mid west'. Could they have been more vague? I would like to know with a bit more certainty so I could determine wether or not to apply for a position at the factory. I am getting a BS degree in Mechatronics and will be working on a masters in Robotics. Guess I will have to wait and see.

Jarrett5150

06-08-2011, 03:30 PM

Why I bought a low end Suzuki sx4 at 17K with limited AWD. Had it for two years and plan to trade it away for one of these. Wonder if a major lease company will be interested in leasing these. They say they will get you anything. :)

RawNRG

06-09-2011, 09:17 AM

If, as it seems, Persu is working with major automotive companies, then it is quite likely you will be able to lease directly from them. This is all assuming that they are able to produce it in the first place.

Satt

07-12-2011, 07:37 AM

I am so very excited now! I have been on this forum a long time and I honestly gave up hope. Now I am back and more excited than ever. I probably have tried to pre-register 20 times or more even though it always tells me I have already registerd. LOL. I am TOTALY willing to put down $1000 in 2013 to get on the official list. I don't mind at all that the drive train is going to use an ICE. It will still get better gas mileage than my Honda Civic. Bring it on!!!

P.S. - Derwin...if you ever find out when the $1000 can be put down let us know so I can be up at midnight to register. Thanks. ;)

B-Edwards

07-16-2011, 12:46 PM

P.S. - Derwin...if you ever find out when the $1000 can be put down let us know so I can be up at midnight to register. Thanks. ;)

I'm in!

pondlife

07-21-2011, 05:57 AM

Me too - haven't been around here in a while, like a few others, but it's nice to come back and see the passion is still here :)

jkbuster

08-02-2011, 01:16 AM

Me too - haven't been around here in a while, like a few others, but it's nice to come back and see the passion is still here :)

With everything we've gone through over the years with this project, it is amazing that so many of us are still here. That just goes to show how great of a product they have, if only they were a little faster at putting it on the market they'd have plenty of money to continue improving it with the PHEV and EV versions. sitpopbackcorn Granted, I'd much rather go through all of the turmoil we've had then end up with a car that doesn't work. My hope is that now they have the leadership and energy to make it happen.

Back a few years we were putting together a tour across the US as everyone drove theirs home from the launch party. That dream still lives on! (In my head at least)

Dadnatron

11-28-2011, 09:53 AM

Derwin,

Thank you for providing us a place for information and comment about Persu.

I would recommend that a prime help to the forum, would be a locked 'sticky' thread in which you post only information about what is happening (as you hear of it). This would allow a quick check of the forum to see if anything is new, without requiring a perusal of all the threads. While I appreciate the hopes and dreams of the forum, I would really like to simply check in, check the 'REALITY' post, and see if anything is up.

Even if you posted both company information as you get it an rumors as well. Keep it locked from comment. People can comment on other threads, thereby keeping the information you have gleaned, in a quickly accessible manner.

Thanks again.