Aptera Update Thread

[Derwin]

Hello! I thought it would be nice to have a thread where we can keep an eye on the Aptera project, and post all of their updates. Well, here it is! I just received this email tonight, so we'll start this thread with this:

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=279&stc=1&d=1206581601

Check out a guided tour of the Typ-1:

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Typ-1 featured in Touchstone Energy Cooperatives commercial:

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AlternativeEnergy.com interviews Steve Fambro and Typ-1 designer Jason Hill:

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Hello, and thanks for waiting. There's a lot of exciting stuff going on here, as we get ready to bring the Typ-1 to market. We're going to be updating you regularly from now until the rollout, so watch your this forum.

MOVING OUT OF R&D

These past few months, we've been working hard to evolve the Typ-1 out of the research and design phase, into manufacturing. That's meant late nights, intensive fine-tuning, and loads of caffeine, all to make sure that the vehicle is as safe, efficient and comfortable as possible.

MANUFACTURING STARTS NOW

That's right. We're on the final stretch. We have raised enough money to manufacture and support the Typ-1.
Here's where we're going next:

---we're hiring a bunch of new people
---moving into our new larger facility
---conducting advanced crash testing
---refining the manufacturing process
---starting mass-production of your vehicles
---building the first Aptera store
---delivering the first Aptera

NEW WEBSITE IN THE WORKS

We've been thinking a lot about how to make our website work best for you, and we've got some good stuff in store. Soon, our brand-spanking new website will give you an in-depth look at the Typ-1, keep you current on the latest buzz, and help you track our progress a s we approach the rollout. It's just one of the many exciting developments we'll be introducing in the coming months. So stay tuned.

Well, fellow VV enthusiasts, what do you think of this new information from Aptera? I think it is incredible. It just get's me really, really excited when I think about the time Venture Vehicles reaches this point in the project. We'll all be celebrating! Patience......Patience.

;)

Derwin

[RAN]

I'm psyched to see a more affordable EV from a startup company about to be born. I wish they had gone with the hybrid first, but from a technical standpoint I can see where it's simpler to premier with the BEV version. They've been saying for months they'd start production late this year, and I don't doubt it.

I just wish they'd send me their newsletter... I signed up for it months ago. =y:

[Timon]

I could go with either the Aptera or the V1. The V1 would likely be more fun to drive but my wife would be more likely to ride in the Aptera.

[CelticFlyer]

Thanks for the great introductory tour, Derwin. I haven't really looked into the Aptera before now. I still prefer the VentureOne, but I will definitely give the Aptera a very well-deserved nod for their great enthusiasm and the fact that they've delivered the goods.

[curbowman]

I do like the Aptera. They started with a novel idea and have been doing progress at a steady rate. meanwhile, Tesla motors announces another delay and the Volt is very far away.

I do prefer the Venture, tough, because it's thinner, so it can fit between cars during gridlocks and two of them van share a single parking space. You can't beat that!

[WarpedOne]

>> Tesla motors announces another delay

Where, when?

[Mike kZ]

I like the solar powered AC, that keeps the car at 75* when not in use. I hope V1 does that!

[Miracleman89]

Meet George Jetson!

[Derwin]

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg205/dreamquestbiz/headerbar_newsletter_May.jpg

Video

We've had a lot of requests to see our facility, so we thought we'd put together a tour before we moved out. All of the prototyping processes featured in the video will be scaled up for mass-production in our new facility. And if you want more eye candy, check out these pics on http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg205/dreamquestbiz/flickrLogo2.gif..... http://www.flickr.com:80/photos/aptera/sets/72157604810632552/

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Growth is good. That's why we're excited to announce that our team is expanding in a major way and will continue to do so as we gear up to build thousands of Typ-1s. For now, we thought it would be appropriate to shine a light on our very first hires-three of them, actually. And if you'd also like to be part of the Aptera team, click on our job listings link below.

Employee Spotlight

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Kurt is our suspension guy, among many other things. A massively talented integration engineer, he was part of the original team of five that designed and tested the Aptera Mk0 prototype in 2006. When he's not problem-solving all things mechanical (no easy feat at a place like Aptera), he's hard at work as the lead engineer on the Typ-1's state-of-the-art suspension system. Not only does he make sure that the dynamics are on point, but because much of the suspension is exposed, he works closely with our in-house CFD aerodynamicist to make sure it's sleek and aerodynamic, too.

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Brian's job is to make sure the Typ-1 has no blind spots. Our unique Eyes Forward system consists of screens located just behind the steering wheel, eliminating the need for obtrusive side mirrors. In addition to making the Typ-1 more aerodynamic, it keeps you from having to turn your head simply to check what's going on around you. Strategically placed video cameras do that work for you. Although it's a relatively simple concept, it requires some intuitive and versatile engineering to make cameras function like mirrors and in a way that drivers can appreciate. Go Brian!

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Tim is compulsively precise and a bit crazy, and that's why we like him. He's our Senior Fabrication Engineer, specializing in making really smart and innovative parts like the front subframe. Our philosophy is that efficiency is innovation, and to that end, Tim is the perfect blend of engineer and designer. He focuses on keeping the vehicle light and fabricates components practically without overbuilding. He's also worked on homes featured in magazines like Dwell and Architectural Digest, so you can be sure that whatever he does looks amazing.

BUZZ...

Fortune names Aptera as 1 of 11 great green ideas today:
http://money.cnn.com:80/galleries/2008/fortune/0804/gallery.great_green_ideas.fortune/index.html

AutoWeek talks with our new SVP of Manufacturing, Neil Hanneman:
http://www.autoweek.com:80/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080424/FREE/171455714&SearchID=73316053213211

Newsweek lists Aptera as one of the "10 Fixes for the Planet":
http://www.newsweek.com:80/id/130625/page/1

San Diego Union Tribune get's an inside look at the Aptera at our March Press Event:
http://www.signonsandiego.com:80/news/business/20080325-9999-1b25aptera.html

ABC Channel 7 gets video of the Aptera in action:
http://abclocal.go.com:80/kabc/story?section=news/car_tips&id=6039270

Los Angeles Times - Three Wheelers Have Designs on Sportiness, Safety
http://www.latimes.com:80/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-throttle2jan02,0,2409163.story

MSNBC - Company: $30,000 Typ-1 can go 120 miles before it needs recharge
http://www.msnbc.msn.com:80/id/21883886/

All I can say is....WOW! It seems the people at Aptera have bee really busy beavers getting the word out on their vehicle, and getting it ready to hit the market!

I can't wait until we are seeing updates like this from Venture Vehicles! =y:

Derwin

[MarkH]

I can't wait to see ANY update from VV

[BeepBeep]

It also mentions VV as well

Fortune names Aptera as 1 of 11 great green ideas today:
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fortune/0804/gallery.great_green_ideas.fortune/11.html

[Tim Hodgetts]

Personally, I think the Aptera's organic shape is very appealing. But then the VV is ALSO gorgeous because it suggests speed even while sitting still, the styling is aggressive and sleek. Basically, they can both appeal to different people for different reasons or even the same people on differing levels.

But most importantly, it means that if drivers want to be more responsible about their ecological impact they now have a choice and this was hardly the case before.

Both vehicles defy labels or being put into a box, they aren't simply "cars" but a new breed of transport that is truly thinking out of the box!

[Timon]

There is a generally accepted thinking that the outside width of the front wheels is about 7 feet. When you consider that a hummer is a little over 7 that's wide.

[BeepBeep]

There is a generally accepted thinking that the outside width of the front wheels is about 7 feet. When you consider that a hummer is a little over 7 that's wide.


That is the main issue that has me concerned. I actually really dig the vechicle.

[Baja_Traveler]

Here's the latest on Aptera. I think they're moving to the Vista/San Marcos area. - From an insider who is friends with a guy I work with.
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You will be able to physically buy and test cars in late December early January. Right now the shop we are in is too small to manufacture cars. The place we are moving too will actually be headquarters as well as an Aptera dealership/showroom floor and shipping headquarters. You'll be able to purchase straight from the manufacturer.
So my advice is if they want to test drive before they put a deposit down, that is fine. But it will be at least a year or so before that will be possible. Basically there is only one car now. They are in the process of completing the second and third test cars now. All three cars still need to be crash tested before any public test driving will be permitted. So tell your friends they are in on the ground floor and we are still early in the game. But just heads up, they are only planning on making the presale amount of cars the first year. Keep you posted on new info.
PS Let them know to watch for the Aptera car in the new Star Trek movie, The Today show and continuing press in the local news. We've been everywhere because of Earth Day awareness.

[MarkH]

PS Let them know to watch for the Aptera car in the new Star Trek movie,

The little nerd in my head just perked up it's little pointy ears.

:LOL:

[Miracleman89]

Also to be seen in the new Jetsons live action movie. They have already hired Industrial Lights & Magic to do the special effects and digitally remove the wheels!

:LOL::LOL::LOL: Joking:LOL::LOL::LOL:

[AZEqualizer]

Autobloggreen (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/09/30/aptera-may-undergo-some-design-changes-before-december-productio/) had this to say (Posted Sep 30th 2008 ): The latest rendering seems to stretch and lower our wingless friend which might allow them to give it a slightly narrower track. This version also adds side-view mirrors to an otherwise sleek exterior but we don't know if they are permanent since the side-view cameras are maintained. Interestingly, the rear-view camera gets its own little dorsal-fin enclosure that has been spotted on some pre-production Mk-1 out there in the wild. The other noticable change is the addition of another window behind the door. We're not sure if this is one of the permanent changes though perhaps it could be if the company gets enough positive feedback from its fans. Though seemingly brief, the newsletter does contain a nice chat between founder Steve Fambro and the company's new CEO, Paul Wilbur and hints about an all-new website coming soon.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2008/09/aptera-changes.jpg

[westonlgray]

I like the new styling better. In my mind though, this still isn't the type of car that would compete against the V1. I would think it would compete more with the Prius for people who just want to get the best possible mileage. Of course, if they really do get a production car that can get 150 MPG Highway, I might give it a try. It will be interesting to see the final specs.

[RAN]

Narrowing the Aptera's front track can only be a Good Thing.

[Mark Tomlinson]

AutoBlogGreen suspects Aptera stretched the MK1, probably because it extends to the ends of the photo. But look closer. Notice the "wheelpants" (as Aptera calls them) appear larger than the original design. I doubt Aptera would make them larger because that would add weight, reduce aerodynamics, and not serve any conceivable purpose.

Instead, I suspect that the redesign was simply rendered closer to the camera than the first photo, making the redesign the same length with a significantly lower profile. The nose does appear to jut out a little further, but that could just be because the photo is closer. Dropping the front of the vehicle would mean that Aptera can not pull the wheels closer because they are now closer to one of the widest parts of the vehicle.

The most significant change I see that was not mentioned in the article is the slope of the front end and the slope of the, uh ... rear wheelpant(?) - that fin thing the rear wheel is in. Notice on the redesign how they appear to slope at a smaller angle, which probalby accounts for better aerodynamics.

[Derwin]

Guess who made it on the COVER of Novembers issue of Popular Mechanics.... Yep!....

http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=747&stc=1&d=1223734596

[AZEqualizer]

http://aptera.com/newsletter111908/i/MirrorsAdded1.jpg
Aptera has decided to simplify the name and call the vehicle the Aptera-2e, where the 2 designates the number of passengers and the e denotes the electric powertrain.

Aptera's newsletter (http://aptera.com/newsletter111908/) went on to say: The other hot topic is our rear vision system. As many of you noted, we have consolidated the three body-mounted cameras, into a single "fin" style camera on the roof. While the initial setup couldn't effectively show the body as a point of reference, the new position and better camera technology provide the driver with an unimpeded view of the surroundings.

"By moving to a single camera and screen - in conjunction with more traditional side-view mirrors - drivers are now placed in the safest, most practical and familiar setup," said Tom Reichenbach, chief engineer of Aptera. "We worked hard to make these changes without compromising our core mission of minimizing drag. "Through our comprehensive aerodynamic studies we've been able to design mirrors that slip right through the air. And because the body-mounted cameras created air pockets that disrupted airflow over the vehicle, the change to the overall drag has been minimal."

[rogwild]

"By moving to a single camera and screen - in conjunction with more traditional side-view mirrors - drivers are now placed in the safest, most practical and familiar setup," said Tom Reichenbach, chief engineer of Aptera. "We worked hard to make these changes without compromising our core mission of minimizing drag. "Through our comprehensive aerodynamic studies we've been able to design mirrors that slip right through the air. And because the body-mounted cameras created air pockets that disrupted airflow over the vehicle, the change to the overall drag has been minimal."

Translation; = "We added side mirrors, INCREASED drag, and DECREASED fuel mileage."

[AZEqualizer]

And to comply with a lot of state laws that require mirrors.

[AZEqualizer]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2008/12/aptera-2e-render.jpg
Aptera has updated the design of their web site (http://www.aptera.com/), their vehicle and their price.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2008/12/aptera-2e-render-3.jpg

Note the axels on the front wheels ... this raises some question on if they are drive wheels.... or?

The makeover isn't quite finished but there's enough to give a more complete picture of the Aptera 2 series. Originally placed in the neighborhood of $27,000, the price is now stated to range from the mid-$20's to the mid-$40's depending... on the type of drive and the accessories.

[Miracleman89]

Mid 40's !!!!!! I always hate hearing about the price of items like this going from affordable to ridiculous over night! It is like they want to get people excited and draw them in before they reveal they can never afford one!

[Jack Willard]

Mid 40's !!!!!! I always hate hearing about the price of items like this going from affordable to ridiculous over night! It is like they want to get people excited and draw them in before they reveal they can never afford one!

Yep. I was sure looking at the Aptera vehicle too, until I saw the price. Then, I kept looking and discovered the VentureOne.

Actually, I'm also going to take a look at the new 2009 Honda Insight. The price is supposed to be under $20k. If the whole Insight picture looks good, in comparison to the VentureOne, I might be tempted to go with the Honda. I have an Accord right now and am quite pleased with it. I get like 28mpg with the Accord (lead foot) and I'm really looking for at least twice that amount for the next vehicle.

[Baja_Traveler]

I'm still considering it - in '01 I paid 40K for the big truck I'm driving now. I'd pay that much again for the 100+ mpg, high tech and cool factor of the Aptera. They still won't tell me what the actual dimensions are though - stating it will fit in a one car garage tells me nothing. My next vehicle has to be stored inside, and I am space limited with the Mustang project - this is one of the big draws to the Venture whatchamacallit.

[AZEqualizer]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2008/12/aptera-2e-render.jpg (http://www.autobloggreen.com/photos/aptera-2e/1199752/)


This according to an article on AutoblogGreen: (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/12/24/aptera-switches-to-front-wheel-drive-delivery-date-still-unknow/)


Yep, just after posting a story that Aptera seems extremely unlikely (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/12/24/aptera-likely-to-miss-end-of-year-delivery-date/) to get its first production model shipped before the end of 2009 comes news that essentially seals this fate. Aptera is now saying that all production models will be front-wheel drive, a major change to say the least. Previously, Aptera's preproduction models used a belt-driven rear wheel, leaving the two hoops up front alone to steer the vehicle. No longer, as Aptera offers the following reasons for the switch:

1. Better weight distribution, which, in turn, maximizes stability
2. Improved traction during acceleration and in inclement weather wet conditions
3. More efficiency at higher speeds
4. Increased durability during the life of the vehicle
5. Improved noise insulation
6. Increased rear cargo space (without sacrificing front legroom)

We're not going to spend any time arguing with any of those 6 points, but we're also fully aware that this change will further postpone sales of the 2e well into the future. For what it's worth, an Aptera Forum (http://apteraforum.com/showthread.php?t=1986&page=4) member named Steve (any guesses as to who that may be?) claims that the decision to switch to FWD was made all the way back in January.
Posted Dec 24th 2008 at 6:29PM by Jeremy Korzeniewski (http://www.autobloggreen.com/bloggers/jeremy-korzeniewski/)

[AZEqualizer]

Autobloggreen (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/01/07/aptera-pushes-back-retail-deliveries-to-october-2009-looks-for/) had this to report:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2008/12/aptera-2e-render.jpg

As expectant Aptera buyers are obviously aware, the company failed to meet (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/12/24/aptera-likely-to-miss-end-of-year-delivery-date/) its self-imposed end of 2008 deadline to start delivering vehicles. In fact it wasn't even close. The company does expect to have a "production-intent" vehicle completed by the end of next week but that one isn't leaving the company. In a letter sent to customers this week, management acknowledged that they waited until far too late in the program to actually give consideration to many of the things paying customers might want in a vehicle; the ability to grab some food from a drive-through window, for example.

Between the real-world compromises and the switch from rear to front wheel drive, management has acknowledged the delays along with the current economic environment. For the next several months, they say, a small number of vehicles will be built for internal testing. Volume production for retail deliveries is now scheduled for October 1, 2009. The company is also asking people who have paid the $500 refundable deposit to voluntarily convert it to a non-refundable deposit. This will let the company better gauge true demand for the vehicle and also give them access to the deposit cash which has been held in escrow until now. People who choose the lock-in option will get an extra $250 off the final retail price when they take delivery. The full letter from the company is included in the article here. (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/01/07/aptera-pushes-back-retail-deliveries-to-october-2009-looks-for/)

It should be noted that John Hollenberg points out in the comments...


According to the press release here. (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/01/07/aptera-pushes-back-retail-deliveries-to-october-2009-looks-for/)
:

"As always, your deposit money will remain in escrow until you move to transact the purchase of your vehicle, which is when any and all credits will be applied. Aptera is not, and has no intention of using your deposit money to fund the company."

According to this statement, your money is not at risk. The article wrongly suggests that the money will be used to fund the company, in direct contradiction to the statement in the press release.

Edmunds Green Car Advisor has its outlook Here. (http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2009/01/aptera-letter-confirms-10-month-production-delay-seeks-cash-commitments.html)

[cobraphx]

Well, so much for all the people saying that Aptera was going to take the entire market from Persu because they would be in the market way earlier than Persu. Doesn't seem likely that they will have much of a head start now that they are finally coming clean.

In a letter sent to customers this week, management acknowledged that they waited until far too late in the program to actually give consideration to many of the things paying customers might want in a vehicle; the ability to grab some food from a drive-through window, for example.

WHAT? You took Deposits from people over a year ago, and you are just now making the changes to make it useful to people? You will have held the first deposits for 2 years before you have the first cars to sell?

Hmmm, the fact that VV took the time to get input from users during the design phase seems downright brilliant in comparison. And even if Persu began taking deposits today and delivered the first cars in Jan 2011 they would be as responsive as Aptera is. And guess what we still don't know how long, wide, tall, heavy, or the number of seats in the production Apteras. We've known theose rough numbers for the PH for over a year now, they may change, but at least we know the mark. All we have from Aptera is "it will fit in an average sized garage", how vague is that?

[Derwin]

Well, so much for all the people saying that Aptera was going to take the entire market from Persu because they would be in the market way earlier than Persu. Doesn't seem likely that they will have much of a head start now that they are finally coming clean.

That's exactly how I feel about it. I would much rather have a company in "radio silence" and not releasing any information (like Pursu!), than have something like this happen. Heck, Aptera promised the moon to the people, and even began taking deposits, and promised a delivery date to those that plunked down the cash. Now we find out that delivery will not be until the end of 2009, and maybe not even then!

Like many others have said..... Don't put down cash money until you see the vehicle in actual production, and they can show you a production model. I'm just happy that I'm not one of the people that put money down on the Aptera.... I would be a bit upset at this point!

That said, I still think the Aptera is a nice vehicle.

Derwin

[danbucks]

It's sad to see Danbucks' 3rd law of certainty proven once again. When I got this email, I asked for my $500 back so fast it made my own head spin (no response yet on refund).

[Derwin]

It's sad to see Danbucks' 3rd law of certainty proven once again. When I got this email, I asked for my $500 back so fast it made my own head spin (no response yet on refund).


LOL! I have a feeling that many others had the same reaction as you.

Please let us know how Aptera handles your refund request. I would think that they would get out a refund check to you pretty quick.

Derwin

[cobraphx]

I think the most revealing part is the timing of the announcement. According to the announcement they knew months ago they needed to do more work to have a valid consumer acceptable vehicle. But instead of announcing then that they would have to push the "end of 2008" date. They leave that carrot hanging (knowing full well it was bull$#!^) and then announce a week after it was obvious they had missed the date. Not exactly forthcoming. Almost to the point of deception since they are holding several million dollars of potential customer's hard earned money.

Maybe they had to spend months months with the marketing folks to work out details of the Lock in Incentive Plan in order to reduce the number of depositors fleeing the listing ship.

[AZEqualizer]

When the company announced that there would be a delay in retail deliveries, they also said, "Despite our well-intentioned efforts, we were unable to complete that vehicle before the close of the year, so it's now slated for January 16." Well, that's today, and no one has heard anything about Job One today.

The Aptera website's news section (http://www.aptera.com/news.php) doesn't have a new release, but does say, "we're working hard towards <sic> our production launch." Autobloggreen (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/01/16/apteras-job-one-deadline-comes-and-goes-without-a-word/)and some other have asked Aptera for an update, and will have news for you as soon as we get it.

It seems this is pretty common among vehicle manufactures (sounds familiar?).... I guess they all need some new crystal balls and PDA's with alarms so they can at least say "Not there quite yet but we will get back to you!"

[ppi]

hmmm i would not lay all the blame on them, Big oil pulled a hat trick and won, when fuel was up there there was atleast some investment dollars around even at our small r&d shop we could find funds to move alone, then the bottom fell out with sub $2.00 gas now there is no investment funds around to complete anything.

[AZEqualizer]

According to a press release that Autobloggreen was given further info on the self-imposed deadline to have the first production 2e vehicle (formerly known as the Typ-1) out the door by January 16th.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2009/01/aptera_2e-_debut450.png

The press release (Jan. 21, 2009) (Click the Link here (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/01/21/apteras-pre-production-2e-rolls-out-of-the-factory/)), though, says that this vehicle is a pre-production model that "is equipped with a lithium-based battery and features a number of vehicle enhancements such as front wheel drive, aerodynamic side-mounted mirrors and wider door openings that make getting in and out of the vehicle much easier than with previous designs." So, the deadline was met, sort of. Aptera President and CEO Paul Wilbur said that "final refinements" are still coming before the actual first deliveries take place in October (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/01/07/aptera-pushes-back-retail-deliveries-to-october-2009-looks-for/). Oh, and the price for one of these production models? Somewhere "between $25,000 and $45,000."

[devilwearsprada]

I think that perhaps these vehicles are a little more complex to mass produce then anyone anticpated. It's good to know that Persu is not the only ones having an issue. Does anyone know where this company planned on having the the Aptera produced?

[AZEqualizer]

Aptera's Composite Facility is in Carlsbad, CA and the Assembly Facility is in Vista, CA.

[AZEqualizer]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2009/02/aptera-2e-at-ted-10.jpg

The official set of specifications for the upcoming Aptera 2e have been released at the Technology, Entertainment, Design (TED (http://www.autobloggreen.com/tag/ted)) conference yesterday according to information posted by Josh (http://www.apteraforum.com/showthread.php?t=2190) on the Aptera Forum:

Official dimensions: 53" high x 91.0" wide x 173" long.

More specs from sheet:
111" wheelbase
80.5" front track.
0.15 Coef of drag
5" ground clearance
1500 lbs curb wt.

Electric motor torque: 60FtLb torque
110v 15A charge time: 8 hrs.
Battery output: 10-13 KWh battery pack.
Battery voltage: 336V DC Nominal Tractoon Voltage
Transmission: Gear box 10:1 ratio

- Battery Type: Lithium Ion Phosphate.

Chassis:
- Front Suspension: Independent unequal length A-arm
- Rear Suspension: Swing Arm
- Steering: Manual Steering, tilt steering column
- Brakes: Manual Brakes, dual circuit brake hydraulics, mechanical brake proportioning, 3-wheel disc
- Wheels: 14-inch High Strength Stamped Steel wheels
- Size: P165/65R14

Performance:
- Range: Up to 100 miles per charge

Warranty:
- Basic: 4/50,000
- Powertrain: 4/50,000
- Corrosion: 12/unlimited
- Roadside: 4/50,000

Features: (S=standard, O=optional)

Interior:

Push Button Start: S
Electronic shift PRNDL (shift controller): S
AM/FM/MP3/WMA with 5 speakers and MP3/Smart Phone Connectivity: S
DVD Navigation System: O
Power up/down windows with Driver side one-touch and anti-pinch: S
Power automatic door locks with anti-lockout feature: S
Center console armrest with two cup holders: S
Overhead mounted LED Dome Lights: S
Recycled Fabric-trimmed seats and door panels: S
Leatherette (recycled materials) trimmed steering wheel: S
Defroster-linked CFC-free automatic climate control with electric inverter compressor air conditioning: S
One 12V auxilliary power outlets and One 12V USB Outlet: S
Retractable passenger-assist grips at all doors: S
Exterior:

Dual color-keyed power outside mirros: S
Aerodynamic multi-reflector halogen headlamps: S
Washer-linked variable intermittent windshield wipers: S
Rear window defogger with timer: S
Rear Electronic rear hatch locking system (sic): S
Solar Energy-Reflecting glass: S
Smart Key System (Proximity locking/starting) Maintenance key & cylinder to prevent accidental lock out: S
Safety:

Remote keyless entry system with 2-stage unlocking, panic function and remote illuminated entry: S
Backup camera: O
Driver and front passenger Airbag System: S
Front and rear crumple zones and side-impact door beams: S
Engine immobilizer: S
Center high-mount stop lamp: S
Emergency Tire inflation system: S
3-point front outboard seatbelts with adjustable shoulder anchors and driver-side Emergency Locking Retractor (ELR), front passenger Automatic/Emergency Locking Retractor (ALR/ELR): S
Driver and front passenger seatbelt with seat belt starter interlock: S
Direct Tire Pressure Monitor System (TPMS): S
Anti-theft system: O

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3533/3251216385_a9c463b552_b.jpg

[shinn497]

How I wish the EV range was longer. What's amazing me is that the battery pack is so small when compared to the EV1. Oh well, I bigger battery would probably equal a higher cost so its the PHEV for me, unless Persu releases first.

[AZEqualizer]

I'm still amazed at the size of it, especially considering it is a two seater ... and what the heck is the turning ratio on this vehicle?

Aptera 2e Official dimensions: 53" high x 91.0" wide x 173" long.
111" wheelbase 80.5" front track.

2006 Hummer H1: 130" wheelbase, 71.6" front track

[RAN]

Once I discovered the front track is about as wide as an 18-wheeler, I wrote off the Aptera from serious consideration. Wait until these start showing up in rush hour traffic. There will be severed Aptera front wheels all over the place.

[Derwin]

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Aptera either. From the looks to the overall dimensions, it's just not doing it for me. Besides that, there is ZERO fun factor with this thing! I'm all for a real tilting vehicle to change the way we ride the roads and commute. But, then again, we might get bored at that after a while!

Derwin

[AZEqualizer]

I'm all for a real tilting vehicle ... But, then again, we might get bored at that after a while!

Derwin

Don't know about that I have been driving a motorcycle for several decades and I am not bored ... I just want some weather protection and air conditioning.

[Derwin]

Don't know about that I have been driving a motorcycle for several decades and I am not bored ... I just want some weather protection and air conditioning.


Yeah, I know. I don't really think that I'll get tired of driving the Persu either! I was just trying to add a little dry humor to my post.

Guess it bombed! o:o:p:s12

Derwin

[MVRacing]

Road & Track first test drive of an Aptera 2e pre-production prototype.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=10&article_id=7651&cid=145

[AZEqualizer]

I thought this was a interesting picture, of what is under the nose, that I hadn't seen before. It is from the R&T article.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2009/W7/021120091444055889.jpg

[shinn497]

Check the vids. The car can really scoot. They even show a mini powerslide.

[Miracleman89]

Well I must admit it looks a lot more stable in cornering then I expected!

[meckman1]

This post was on yahoo today:

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/857/exclusive-aptera-2e;_ylt=Ah1RWei.a1iPWQbMzNbx3lEazJV4

[TazmanianKoala]

I found another video about the Aptera
I really do not know what the announcer is telling, or what the comments in the background are about.

blZIWlCHYY4


(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blZIWlCHYY4&eurl=http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1230630/37&feature=player_embedded)

[AZEqualizer]

Dismayed to discover that its three-wheeled electric commuter vehicle won't qualify for federal green car manufacturing loans under present policies, California-based Aptera Motors (http://www.aptera.com/) says it is heading to Washington to try to get the rules changed. According to this article in GreenCarAdvisor (http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2009/03/aptera-off-to-dc-to-seek-loan-eligibility-for-unconventional-advanced-vehicles.html)

http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/assets_c/2009/02/aptera2etop-thumb-375x249.jpg

[rogwild]

I wonder if they will DRIVE there to prove their point?

[RAN]

One thing I've noticed with the latest pre-production versions... the front track is coming down in width. That can only be a Good Thing as far as driving the Aptera in traffic is concerned. I'm waiting to see how far they can tuck those front wheels in on the final version.

Re Aptera and federal loans: I wish them luck, but I'd just as soon see them get into production on their own. They've come this far. Let 'em really stick it to GM and the rest of the losers by showing that they don't need handouts to succeed.

PS: if they do drive one to DC, they should let the lawmakers do the "sledgehammer test" themselves to show 'em how tough an Aptera is.

[Mark Tomlinson]

Re Aptera and federal loans: I wish them luck, but I'd just as soon see them get into production on their own. They've come this far. Let 'em really stick it to GM and the rest of the losers by showing that they don't need handouts to succeed.
There's a lot of confusion out there regarding government money now days. Aptera (and Tesla, for that matter) are not looking for a slice of the bailout money. They are looking for a slice of the DOE advanced technologies loans. There's a bill that passed about this time last year - before bank failures and before the Big Three came hat-in-hand - that set aside a few billion to lend at low interest.

To qualify, you had to have some type of technology innovation for the auto industry which you need the money to bring to market. Plus, you need to look like a fair credit risk; the same as when a bank considers a loan application. Guess what? The Big Three didn't qualify, so they went for a bail-out of their own. The Bush administration drug it's feet on awarding the advanced technology loans, but you're hearing about them again because the Obama administration has lit a fire under the DOE's butt.

[RAN]

Thanks for clarifying Mark. Who's more deserving of that type of loan than Aptera? They're just using the # of wheels as an excuse to exclude them.

They want innovation? Well, dropping to 3 wheels is innovative.

[MikeB]

They're just using the # of wheels as an excuse to exclude them.

I don't think legislators are deliberately trying to exclude the Aptera. I think they simply don't know it exists, and haven't realized how many 3-wheel vehicles are in development like the Persu and the Aptera. Even those that do know about them, they don't see the potential for these vehicles to replace cars, but see them as toys (which is what most motorcycles are).

The downside is that once we educate the legislators about our 3-wheel transportation alternatives, the loans will come, but so will the full weight of safety regulation that cars come with. So the biggest advantage of 3-wheels, the lack of regulatory costs (both in money and time), will evaporate.

[waltbscott]

I've written several emails myself to California legislators to remind them of the opportunity that California has to become a vehicle builder for the next century. Companies based here include Aptera, Persu (still here?), Tesla, Dagne, Zero Motorcycles, Quantum Technologies (builders of the drive system for the Fisker Karma). We could really get an industry moving with what AIG is pissing away on bonuses. And it would be a real help to the state economy. Will it happen? Some of these companies will probably not make it. Zero has products in the marketplace already (Swappable batteries too), Tesla is delivering now. Aptera seems close, by their own PR. AS far as the regulatory burden that comes with Government assistance - I think that comes with operating on federal highways. If 3-wheelers start to sell in big numbers AND don't do well in accidents, then thye'll be regulated to hell and gone.

[RAN]

I can still see severed Aptera wheels and skirts laying on the sides of many CA streets, but the body itself should be crashworthy in a way that will make even huge, lumbering SUVs look bad.

[waltbscott]

today's visit by the Prez to an electric vehicle test facility brings a litlle bit more attention to our cause (Persu), if indirectly. It reminds people that electric vehicles are coming. And maybe they'll get internet-curious about 'em... I got an email (newsletter) from Elon Musk today too! Wanna see it?

[RichDC]

My coworker brought in a picture she took of a strange car she saw while commuting through DC. She said it looked like a tadpole with wheels on sticks. Saw the pic and sure enough, there's an Aptera on the road in DC!

I'll try to get a copy to post if I can.

[rogwild]

I wonder if they DROVE, or 'transported' it from California. It would show confidence in their product if they actually DROVE cross country, even having it driving around DC should help their lobbying efforts.

[RichDC]

It was stuck right in the middle of rush hour traffic between two cabs. Didn't look like it was being given any special treatment, just a futuristic car stuck in traffic. I'd be surprised though if it was driven cross country. Shipping makes more sense.

[RAN]

I'd be surprised though if it was driven cross country. Shipping makes more sense.

Shipping makes a whole lot more sense. Who's got the patience to have to stop and recharge for several hours for every hour they drive?

Someone commenting on ABG said something that made a lot of sense; take the train cross-country, and bring your EV with you. thu:mbs:up:22

[waltbscott]

There's a general article about plug-in hybrids and infrastructure in Solar Today for April.

http://www.solartoday-digital.org/solartoday/200904/

With Detroit falling apart, there's not only an opportunity, but a need for new manufacturers to step in and fill the void. Articles like these will help flesh out how it's all gonna work.

[danbucks]

I saw an Aptera up close and personal. A few observations:
1) It appears a lot smaller in person than in the photos. I consider this a good thing (Yao Ming can afford a limo).
2) The looks are better in person (read: angles/lines from next to the vehicle are nicer than some of the fugly shots in photos) - not as spaceship like.
3) Hmmm... dings and pits and scrapes on all wheel covers (including rear): they virtually touch the ground.
4) The wheels are the final production unit will be narrower (rep not stating exact width) - they are certainly sticking out
5) Regardless, I place 0.1:1 vegas odds some owner is running those side wheels into the curb, or into a bicyclist.
6) While GM drowns building seas of unwanted vehicles... Aptera is certainly an at-risk startup scraping along doing their best with limited resources. Production around the corner and... they only have a much older proto to show (it still was side-mirror-less). But hey, a working proto.
7) Seeing it in person made me take pause about getting a deposit refund...

[TazmanianKoala]

I was really shocked sadboycrying23230 when I saw this picture of the latest Aptera design rendering on Autoblog Green (http://green.autoblog.com/gallery/aptera-2e-final-design-rendering/).

The sleek and short design is getting bigger and bigger.
The tail now looks far too long for me. Also it looks like the nose has increased.

But still, this is by far one that really is visible and actually moves.

[Baja_Traveler]

Article in this mornings paper - Aptera is having trouble finding investors to start production...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/nov/19/aptera-forced-to-adjust/

[Derwin]

Article in this mornings paper - Aptera is having trouble finding investors to start production...

Well, I hope now people will have a little better understanding of the position that Persu Mobility must be in, and how they are sure to be suffering the same problems with finding investors.

It's just my opinion, but I think it's safe to say that Persu Mobility is lacking funds to move forward. That would explain the long mode of "silence" we've been in over the past year or so.

This news about Aptera is actually GOOD in my opinion. It gives me renewed confidence that Persu is not the ONLY company out there that may be having problems. And when this money crises is over, we should see the Persu Hybrid moving forward in development.

What do you guys think?

Derwin

[rickb]

I agree that second round funding for any start up company is an issue in this cool economic climate, however, it doesn't excuse the silence and the update opportunities PM has had to share the progress they made with the first round $6Million. Aptera, seemed open with information throughout their process of getting the vehicle to the production stage. Aptera needs money to start actual production while Persu Mobility needs money for___________________?

I love the Persu Hybrid and will buy one the minute mine rolls off the line, but I worry about the follow up care and concern PM will have for it's customers. They haven't shown much respect in the process with complete silence.

[Derwin]

I agree that second round funding for any start up company is an issue in this cool economic climate, however, it doesn't excuse the silence and the update opportunities PM has had to share the progress they made with the first round $6Million. Aptera, seemed open with information throughout their process of getting the vehicle to the production stage.

Well, I beg to differ with you on this.

I don't know how long you've been following Persu, but if you were here back in 2007, then you would know that Persu Mobility (Venture Vehicles at the time) was VERY open about every minor thing that they were doing behind the scenes. Ian Bruce (co-founder of the company) was constantly giving us one update after another on their progress. Actually, the openness that they displayed would put Aptera to shame, quite frankly.


Aptera needs money to start actual production while Persu Mobility needs money for___________________?

I'll give you 3 guesses, and the first 2 don't count! They need money for continued development of the product. They need to take this to the next level, and they need investment money to do it.


I love the Persu Hybrid and will buy one the minute mine rolls off the line, but I worry about the follow up care and concern PM will have for it's customers. They haven't shown much respect in the process with complete silence.

Well, at least we can agree on our willingness to buy one the minute it rolls off the assembly line. But I have to politely disagree with your last statement about them not showing "much respect" to us enthusiasts. They have showed an INCREDIBLE amount of respect to enthusiasts first by being so open about what they were doing behind the scenes in the first year of operation. And secondly by allowing the club to not only use their trademarked name, but to sign a contract with us while this is all still being developed. That, my friend, is showing a great deal of respect in my opinion.

Now things have changed at Persu. Ian Bruce is no longer with them, and they have a new CEO of the company that has a history in the Detroit auto industry. This new CEO thinks that it is in the companies best interest to keep silent during development. That is a business decision that they've made, and I don't see it reflecting at all upon how they will provide "care" for future owners of their vehicles.

Derwin

[pharuan]

How is Ian doing these days anyway?

[Derwin]

How is Ian doing these days anyway?

Heck if I know. I haven't heard from Ian in quite a long time.

The last I heard from/about him was in regards to his new business...


Ian's new venture, Rotavi Inc., will be producing a spec for small, highly efficient, biofuel optimized engine for both direct-drive and hybrid applications.

While much of the VC community is focused of biofuels, Rotavi is working to create a much more efficient way to use them. For example, a typical 4 cylinder engine is about 30% efficient -- that is, 70% of the gasoline that runs from the tank to the engine is simply wasted as heat, parasitic drag, friction, and raw fuel expelled out the tailpipe. By contrast, the Rotavi engine is as much as 60% thermally efficient, can be air cooled, and is designed to easily recirculate exhaust gasses back to the engine to be re-burned -- reducing NOx, CO, and HC pollutants even further.

Derwin

[rickb]

I have been following Venture Vehicles long before and since the start up of the FTRC Website. I agree that Ian & Company were very open up front because they needed to rally major support for their concept vehicle. They used your FTRC Website as a tool to show the excitement for their vehicle to lure venture capital. The name change and silence soon followed. Lots of discussion about vaporware followed.
The only problem I ever had with PM was their "Total" silence............not even a respectful comment that we are still making progress on your dream vehicle but need some additional funding to get our prototype to or closer to production. I believe they even threatened a lawsuit at one point and lost your support and enthusiasm for a very short period of time. Correct me if I am mistaken. I agree a company needs to be secretive during the development stage of a new vehicle because of the competive nature of the business. But nary a word to a supportive customer base that doesn't know if they are even still doing business.........not good customer relations. Just my take on it.

My guess on Ian is that he sold his share of Venture for a $Million to do yet another start up company Rotavi, Inc.. How is that doing?

[MikeB]

Well, I hope now people will have a little better understanding of the position that Persu Mobility must be in, and how they are sure to be suffering the same problems with finding investors.

Here's my problem with that thinking: investments in general are down, but electric car investments are happening left and right:

Coda Automotive, spawned from a manufacturer of poorly-rated neighborhood electric vehicles and several Chinese manufacturers, raised $24m in August. ZAP, an electric vehicle company that a Wired expose (http://www.wired.com/cars/futuretransport/magazine/16-04/ff_zapped) all but called a scam, raised $25m in August. Tesla Motors, with only one low-volume EV on the road got a $50m investment from Daimler that valued the startup at a staggering estimated $550m (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/19/tesla-worth-a-half-billion-dollars-after-daimler-investment/) -- then in September, they raised $82m more. Bankrupt Th!nk raised $47m. Fisker raised $85m. It looks like companies with good management are able to make a promising sales pitch. But companies that have taken a good idea and tried to follow the Detroit mindset in production are getting left out. I'm hearing of some very questionable stuff about Aptera, and their CEO Paul Wilber may be a big part of the current problem.

Is that the problem at Persu? I don't know, and I really hope not. I prefer to think that the Persu is just a little too radical looking, and is scaring off the first round of likely investors.

[rickb]

I'm not a big Aptera fan design wise (although I do appreciate the vehicle) and would not own one, but I am curious about the specifics of the general statement "some very questionable stuff". I always thought Aptera to be a well managed and highly respected company that has successfully secured various levels of funding needed to get their vehicle into production status.

You make an excellent point about well managed upstart companies finding the neccessary capital to move ahead with their vehicles. It worries me a just a little.

[MikeB]

...but I am curious about the specifics of the general statement "some very questionable stuff".

Rick, here's some reading for you about Aptera management:
http://gas2.org/2009/11/20/aptera-troubles-get-the-full-inside-story-here/

[ppi]

Rick, here's some reading for you about Aptera management:
http://gas2.org/2009/11/20/aptera-troubles-get-the-full-inside-story-here/
Wow i have seen the same thing happen in the 12volt business, i get upset when i hear about big CEO payouts to keep the best? i say don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out! in many ways a line worker can do a better job than these guys.

[racer8]

I hate to be a kill joy but I had just read an update on Aptera on another blog I follow. It ain't pretty and here's the opening:


How did a woman who the SEC says planned one of the largest accounting frauds in US history end up as Chief Financial Officer of Aptera Motors?
It's just one of many questions swirling around what appears to be a meltdown in progress at the beleagured manufacturer of safe, hyper-efficient electric vehicles. When a business is running smoothly, there are strong incentives for everyone to be a team player and hide any signs of internal strife. As the rate of layoffs and "vacations" increases, however, so does the potential for leaks. And sometimes a simple name can take you places you never thought you'd go.


Read the whole thing at http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/19/154051/50

[Derwin]

I hate to be a kill joy but I had just read an update on Aptera on another blog I follow.

Well, so much for Aptera being so "well managed"!

Dang, I hope that negative publicity with Aptera hasn't been scaring away money from Persu and Revolution Motors. That would be a shame.

Derwin

[MVRacing]

It just keeps getting worse...

Aptera Update: Backstory uglier than we knew? (http://green.autoblog.com/2009/11/20/aptera-update-backstory-uglier-than-we-knew/)

by Sebastian Blanco (http://green.autoblog.com/bloggers/sebastian-blanco/) (RSS feed (http://green.autoblog.com/bloggers/sebastian-blanco/rss.xml)) on Nov 20th, 2009 at 2:57PM http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/swipe-breaking.gif (http://green.autoblog.com/tag/breaking/)
[/URL]
Electric automaker Aptera has had a very tough week, starting with news of [URL="http://green.autoblog.com/2009/11/15/rumormill-aptera-co-founders-booted-staff-slashed/"]a boardroom showdown last weekend (http://green.autoblog.com/photos/aptera-2e-final-design-rendering/) over money troubles (http://green.autoblog.com/2009/11/16/more-on-the-trouble-at-aptera-cash-may-be-running-out/) – which were then walked back a bit (http://green.autoblog.com/2009/11/17/aptera-update-vacation-instead-of-ousters/). During the week, we've been hearing that the problems run deeper than we expected, and Karen Pease from Gas 2.0 (http://gas2.org/2009/11/20/aptera-troubles-get-the-full-inside-story-here/) believes she has put more pieces of the tale together.

First, it's important to know about Laura Marion, who is CFO at Aptera, but she also worked at Delphi, where she was cited by the SEC (PDF (http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2006/34-54667.pdf)) for massive accounting fraud and ended up paying a $40,000 fine. Marion came to Aptera with Paul Wilbur, now Aptera's CEO, who had previously worked at ASC and Saleen (pretty much as those companies were going bankrupt). Wilbur was behind the firings last week, and the Gas 2.0 (http://gas2.org/2009/11/20/aptera-troubles-get-the-full-inside-story-here/) writeup (a must read) cites an anonymous employee who was liveblogging the recent firings saying that, "Paul Wilbur has just sacrificed the company to line his own pockets. Crap, I'm crying. [...] Seems to think suspending operations til govt$$ come in will make him a rich man. So sad for [Aptera founder] Steve Fambro, he's a great guy being ruined."

[rickb]

Well, so much for Aptera being so "well managed"!

Dang, I hope that negative publicity with Aptera hasn't been scaring away money from Persu and Revolution Motors. That would be a shame.

Derwin

Maybe Aptera's negative publicity will free up some money for PM & RM. On a negative note I am beginning to think that all of these start up car companies are just promoting concepts to generate venture capital that is used for salaries and bonuses with no real intention of ever getting a vehicle to market. They take the initial millions in first round funding over a year or two with no real progress and run to the next concept scam.

I also hope that Aptera's DoE loan application is in the shredder. Depressing to say the least. :(

[Donald1800]

The feeling I get reading about Aptera's management change, redesigns, financial problems followed by silence reminds me of the feelings I had when the VV1/Persu went through these same, exact, step-by-step changes. As I suggested many months ago, could it be that the 'Detroit Experts' brought in to facilitate the movement towards production, have instead, effectively destroyed every desirable non-Detroit alternative vehicle threatening the status quo ante?

Only time will tell. My 70 years experience, however, has clearly shown me that those with power will destroy those who challenge them. And all of the desires and optimism of potential customers that have been looking for these changes have no value or effect.

Donald1800

[Derwin]

On a negative note I am beginning to think that all of these start up car companies are just promoting concepts to generate venture capital that is used for salaries and bonuses with no real intention of ever getting a vehicle to market. They take the initial millions in first round funding over a year or two with no real progress and run to the next concept scam.

Well, your not the first to suggest that, unfortunately. That has been suggested by quite a few members for over a year now, ever since Persu went silent. But I still don't believe it to be the case. I still truly believe that Howard and Ian set out to produce this vehicle. With Ian now gone, however, and a new CEO from Detroit taking the helm of Persu Mobility, who really knows whats going on. All we can do is sit back and watch what unfolds, or doesn't unfold, as the case may be.

Derwin

[voyager]

Damn, I would like to see Aptera succeed. It's in the best interest of consumers and the government that companies like Aptera will be able to offer a viable alternative to what Detroit is doing. I can tell you that Aptera got a lot of publicity over here (Netherlands). It's good to notice so many people sympathize. That's what I like about this forum, and I have to compliment the people here who regularly keep track of the latest developments.

Basically it's what's probably internet's biggest bonus: communicating, finding kindred spirits, discuss what's happening, build a community, exchange ideas. It helps me to sharpen my ideas about more energy- as well as more space-efficient personal transportation.

[rickb]

My hope is that start up companies like Revolution Motors and Elio Motors stay very clear of any venture capital or management personnel with ties to Detroit. After all look what the Detroit auto experts did to Detroit! It will probably only happen with a new generation of young Designers/Engineers that aren't motivated by power and GREED. My only other hope beyond PM & RM for a tilting three wheeler is BMW and that's to far out Geezer wise.

[Derwin]

The below article is provided by http://sec.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/aut/lgs/rt_logo_120x30.gif and is being presented to the members of this club. If you want to read it directly, you can see it at their website.

I find it very interesting that Aptera is making progress despite all of the troubles they had to overcome, especially over the past several months. It doesn't tilt, but it's definitely a step in the right direction!

Derwin



Aptera’s controversial 2e electric vehicle is one step closer to production.


This Carlsbad, California, start-up company has unveiled the production version of its 3- wheel, 200 mpg-plus 2e and recently obtained private funding to move the project closer to dealerships.

Aptera President and CEO Paul Wilbur says the company is awaiting the U.S. Department of Energy’s decision on Aptera’s application for a $184-million loan from the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program.



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“We completed the first close of our recent round of funding last month, and one more financing hurdle remains,” Wilbur states. “When it’s complete, it will take about 11 months to start our full-volume launch next year.”

Manufacturing will be based in a 200,000-square-foot facility in Oceanside, California, and create 500 new jobs. As production ramps up, that number will likely increase by 2000. Adding supplier employees to that total, Wilbur estimates that Aptera production will add 12,500 jobs to the labor market.



What they will be creating is the Aptera 2e, a 3-wheel machine classified as a motorcycle, but with some design elements of an earth-bound airplane. It’s the nose, front wheel spats and tricycle layout that give that impression as the 2e drives toward you, despite the lack of wings and propellers. From the back, it’s a pure aerodynamic exercise.


http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/autos_content_landing_pages__21/autos_content_landing_pages-572099301-1271364102.jpg?ymG4Q_CDKtIgpZPW


Aptera’s big story is in the electric drivetrain that combines the equipment of such firms as General Electric and Borg Warner with lithium-ion nano-phosphate batteries from 123 Systems. In the 1800-lb. composite-bodied 2e, the 110-horsepower, 232 lb.-ft. of torque electric drive system has a claimed range of 100 miles. Recharging time from full discharge is set at 6 to 11 hours. The front-drive machine is said to reach 60 mph in 9.0 seconds.

Dimensions of the Aptera 2e have it as long as a Ford Focus (http://autos.yahoo.com/2010_ford_focus/), two inches wider than a Maybach and as tall as a Honda Civic (http://autos.yahoo.com/2010_honda_civic_gx/). And the unusual aero form of the Aptera makes it a crowd-stopper.

Still, the 2e is also quite usable. You enter through butterfly-style doors that were part of the refining process for the production 2e. Not only do they now have conventional up-down windows, but the doors have been reshaped to make entry and exit easier.

Once in the Aptera, you feel as though you are in a nicely designed small car. And all the safety systems are in place from belts to airbags. Behind you is a luggage area that will accommodate several bags...including the all-important golfbags.


Chief Engineer of the 2e is Tom Reichenbach, who was the Vehicle Engineering Manager on the Ford GT. Among the firms he enlisted to help with the Aptera is well-known race team Pratt & Miller, which helped optimize the design and aided with finite element analysis.


http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/autos_content_landing_pages__21/autos_content_landing_pages-172497890-1271364102.jpg?ymG4Q_CDhAHRZs9s


Immediately after the press conference announced the production 2e, it was shipped to Michigan to compete for the $10 million Progressive Insurance Automotive X Prize. This competition pits 40 teams from 11 countries to prove it is possible to create a production- ready vehicle that can achieve 100 mpg

[Super]

Reminds me that a couple of the guys behind the 1980's version of Persu (The Litestar/Pulse) also had somewhat shady dealings and ran afoul of the law for some of their other financial activities. A lot of folks who invested in that "venture" wound up defrauded. Like alternative medicine or alternative energy, the ocassional snake oil salesman seem to be attracted to alternative transportation (Zap comes to mind) and can make the public and investors skeptical.

-Super-

[rickb]

I hope the Aptera 2e makes it's estimated production schedule. It will set the example for getting other alternative vehicles to market and break Detroits hold on the auto industry. I only wish I liked the design....................oddly extreme and looks like the opposite of fly the road or ultimate driving machine. Many people do like it and of course design is very personal. I'm holding on to the notion that it may be jaw droppingly beautiful in person with responsive handling during my scheduled test drive.

[Super]

Aptera - sperm. Sorry.

[dr4]

Seeing the Aptera 2E in color is changing my mind. See e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/filsmyth/3290093164/

[wolf_tracker]

HiYa,

It appears they are taking 500 dollar fully refundable deposits... anyone put one down yet???

http://www.aptera.com/details.php

[pharuan]

They've been doing that for more than two years now.

[dr4]

I wonder how many of you have seen this video on the Aptera? Hope their production model is in for some changes and can fair better. This kind of publicity is not good for startups. see: http://green.autoblog.com/

[MVRacing]

I was surprised to hear that it took them 40 tries to do the simple lane change manuver!!! Can't wait to see the results of all the Xprize competitors.

[Mike kZ]

I wonder how many of you have seen this video on the Aptera? Hope their production model is in for some changes and can fair better. This kind of publicity is not good for startups. see: http://green.autoblog.com/

Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnHNQu9tfn4&feature=player_embedded

[rickb]

Mike AZ...............thanks for that link. The Aptera doesn't look very agile on the track as a door flies open. The car that put a smile on my face was the 120 mph in 12 seconds Tango Electric Commuter or 0-60 in 4 seconds. That could be the world's fastest production car. The video of the guy clearing his driveway of 3 feet of snow with his Tango is a hoot. Fast and functional.

[Miracleman89]

I have to agree with rick on the Aptera! I would say that door flying open during testing doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence! However I am sooooo not sold on the tango! And if you look up the numbers it isn't even close to the fastest production car! It is quick but there are many ahead of it!

[voyager]

Mike AZ...............thanks for that link. The Aptera doesn't look very agile on the track as a door flies open. The car that put a smile on my face was the 120 mph in 12 seconds Tango Electric Commuter or 0-60 in 4 seconds. That could be the world's fastest production car. The video of the guy clearing his driveway of 3 feet of snow with his Tango is a hoot. Fast and functional.

Yeah, frightening to see the Aptera handling the bends. That rear wheel/suspension will need some serious tweaking. Has the company already been granted that loan they were qualifying for?

[Jarrett5150]

I wish I could get into this vehicle but sadly it does nothing for me or my tastes. :( I am sure it is a fine ride but for me the looks alone are a deal breaker. Oh well at least I can dream about the perfect car.

Btw I ended up buying a crossover SX4 with awd $16,688 out the door.
Pros fun as snot to drive and a ton of room that I never thought it would have
Cons econo car but no real econe mpg 25mpg all city 34 with mostly hwy. I think due to engine needing I would say about 20 more hp its at 145 or 148 stock.

Side note no pro or con. Turbo from road race bumps hp to about 226 if one so choosed.

[Baja_Traveler]

A whole year has gone by since the last Aptera post. Sad really, as I had figured that Aptera was miles ahead of Venture back then, and would be seeing these on the road by now.

Well today I did. I've been working at a biotech in Oceanside, one block away from Aptera World Headquarters. Unfortunately it was not a customer driving the vehicle, but an employee out for a test drive. Twice it went by so smooth and quietly I had no chance to get the phone out to take a picture before it was gone. I sure would not mind one of these in my driveway though...

[Ronzo]

Last thing I saw that was significant is this Feb 4th 2011 article (since I don't subscribe to their newsletter) AutoBlogGreen (http://green.autoblog.com/2011/02/04/aptera-we-need-government-money-to-bring-vehicle-to-market/)
Here is a link to their Un-Official forum http://www.apteraforum.com/index.php
(http://www.apteraforum.com/index.php)

[RawNRG]

It's an interesting vehicle, but not really what I would want to drive. The Carver/V3 has really decent looks and would be a blast to drive. The Aptera sacraficed a lot to achieve a very low drag coefficient, and I think it was to much of a sacrafice. There is such of a thing as too much of a good thing, and the Aptera is proof.