K Way Motus

[Dutchy]

Dear fellow Tilting Three Wheel Enthusiasts,

FYI and Entertainment I would like to share the following video of Xprize contender TTW:

http://www.basicedizioni.com/uk/popM...idmedia=101409 (http://www.basicedizioni.com/uk/popMediaVideo.asp?idmodel=147144&idmedia=101409)

The websites

http://www.ttwvehicles.com/ (http://www.ttwvehicles.com/)

and the new

http://www.k-waymotus.com/ (http://www.k-waymotus.com/)

contain a lot of material, like the above video.

Sure hope your Italian is up for it, although there is an english language option...

Enjoy :)

[Mike kZ]

Looks good, but I would prefer that the cab have roll down windows ,with AC when windows are rolled up for bad weather.

[rickb]

The K Way Motus is the way I had envisioned an enclosed Piaggio MP3. The 45 degree tilt would certainly provide for a FTR feel and I could tolerate the design. I hope some interesting concept to production vehicles will come out of the X Prize Competion.

[Derwin]

I actually like this vehicle very much.

What get's me is.... Why is it that this company can create such a nice prototype for the XPrize games, but Persu seems to have been completely impotent when it comes to creating ANY kind of real prototype over the past several years, even though they had 10 million dollars in their pockets? I just don't get it. OK. I'm off my soap box now.

Very Nice Pictures....

[Donald1800]

Derwin, you already know the answer to your own question - or you should, as it has been explained to you several times.

Donald1800

[rickb]

The hinged body hatch access to the vehicle is unique and eliminates the debate on door styles. I like this vehicle very much and wish we could get some dialogue going with the creators/company to monitor their teams progress as well as future plans for the vehicle beyond X Prize.

[Derwin]

Derwin, you already know the answer to your own question - or you should, as it has been explained to you several times.

Donald1800

Well, no, Donald, I don't REALLY know the answer to that question, or I wouldn't have asked it. There have been people to come on here giving there OPINIONS, and coming up with all kinds of conspiracy theories about this, but certainly nothing concrete. Personally, I don't buy into the theories that say Howard and Ian simply created the company to line their pockets with investment money, having no intention to build this vehicle whatsoever. I think that is ridiculous at it's core. The only thing that I'm left with is that they are having problems with development, which I don't understand either.

Again, I just don't know the answer to that question. And, no, I don't believe the people at Persu are crooks or dishonest in any way, so there must be ANOTHER reason for this.

Does anybody really know the reason they haven't created a working, running prototype by now?

[rickb]

Derwin.....you should pose that question to PM's "Public Relations Director". Perhaps they have some explaining to do regarding the $10,000,000.00. They would be the only ones that really know why there is no running prototype........... everything else is pure speculation and hearsay. They have no obligation to explain and the longer they remain silent the more suspicious people become as to how the investment capital was really used or more importantly how round two funding might be used.

K Way Motus did it , Elio Motors did it, and Sparc EXV is on their way to doing it. These companies seem to be comprised of people with expertise in technical aspects of engineering and creative aspects of design...............not just lawyers. They have a love of the concept and the drive to get it done with limited funds and are not just profit motivated.

[Derwin]

Derwin.....you should pose that question to PM's "Public Relations Director". Perhaps they have some explaining to do regarding the $10,000,000.00. They would be the only ones that really know why there is no running prototype........... everything else is pure speculation and hearsay. They have no obligation to explain and the longer they remain silent the more suspicious people become as to how the investment capital was really used or more importantly how round two funding might be used.

Actually, I brought the subject up to Phil Oseas quite a while ago during one of our telephone conversations. I even mentioned the fact that some members of the club have been talking about a "conspiracy theory" where Howard and Ian began this company just as a "front" to collect investment money, with no intention of actually building a vehicle. Needless to say, Phil was puzzled as to why/how people could even think this, and, of course, denied it vehemently. His answer as to why they haven't yet built a full working prototype was hazy (at least in my mind). He mentioned that it's a "very difficult" thing to do, and that there are "many aspects" of things to work out and "get right" on the project. Phil always emphasized how it is relatively easy to build a prototype out of a garage somewhere, but that it is a different thing altogether to build a commercially viable vehicle meant for manufacturing. Things have to be tooled in a certain way for the manufacturing process during production. This has been his answer. But, as you can obviously tell, I still don't understand why they don't just build that prototype out of their garage so they AT A MINIMUM have something to show people other than a used Carver vehicle.

So, the question remains... WHY? Why don't they do it? I still don't have a clue.


K Way Motus did it , Elio Motors did it, and Sparc EXV is on their way to doing it. These companies seem to be comprised of people with expertise in technical aspects of engineering and creative aspects of design...............not just lawyers. They have a love of the concept and the drive to get it done with limited funds and are not just profit motivated.

Howard Levine and Ian also had/have a "LOVE" of this concept vehicle as well, and have dedicated a lot of money out of pocket, as well as time, to get this thing going. But be sure of one thing... EVERYBODY is "profit motivated" when it comes to these vehicles. I believe most everybody in ALL of these companies has a love for what they are doing, but they also "love" the potential money that can be generated by getting their vehicle into production. The people at Persu are no different, in my estimation, than any of these other guys in regards to that.

[bmwgc1946]

I noticed in the "Clean Vehicles" PDF by Floyd assoc. that there were a number of "former BMW" team members. Is there any hint of this kind of union/marriage? I think that would be a good thing, but as you know I am predudice.

[rickb]

After much thought over the past year I've concluded that Ian & Howard did not have a love for the V1 or would have put energy into a prototype. They had time to do that before they sold out to PM. I know it all comes back to your question of why they haven't (conviction and ability to get the job done). They were more of a dog & pony show to hype enthusiasm for the concept to use as tool to attract investors. They were very successful hucksters because they had me on the edge of my seat for 3 + years and a FTRC website in their honor. My opinion only based on where the concept is today. I know it's a hunch that you don't agree with and I'm actually happy that's the case because we need your spark of hope that remains for the Persu Hybrid.

Ian & howard had a V1 prototype in the Carver and DVC technology. The V1 was not a new concept vehicle (Vandenbrink's Carver was the new concept) it was merely a redesign of an existing vehicle packaged as a hybrid or EV and set up for mass production. Phiaro managed a Carver redesign in a short time although the same or similar ICE. I'm not saying that is an easy task but easier than what K Way Motus and Elio Motors have done in building their vehicle concepts from the ground up (That's what Vandenbrink did). I believe a Fly the road vehicle will ultimately make it to our driveways just no belief That PM is still working to get it there. You have no idea how it pains me to say that.

[Derwin]

I noticed in the "Clean Vehicles" PDF by Floyd assoc. that there were a number of "former BMW" team members. Is there any hint of this kind of union/marriage? I think that would be a good thing, but as you know I am predudice.

The simple answer to that is YES, Persu had some kind of relationship with BMW, and even had them listed on their website as a partner a year or so ago, until removing it.

I have no idea where that partnership/relationship is now.

[Donald1800]

Derwin:
I have not assigned any negative claims against the original 'Venture' group. I personally believe that Ian et. al. seriously believed that it was necessary to sell the company to a group of "Detroit" connected 'Investors' in order to move the project through hurdles they were not experienced in handling. My personal 'Conspiracy Theory' is that this group of 'Detroit Investors' had only one connection in 'Detroit' - OIL - and that their only goal is to KILL the V1 at all cost.

I do not believe that this vehicle will EVER see the production line. The petroleum syndicate will do everything to keep demand/production and fuel prices high.

Donald

[rickb]

I respect that theory. Why doesn't that claim hold true to all the EV's hitting the market or about to hit the market. Why would they conspire to kill just the V1? I know you aimed your comment at Derwin, but you have aroused my curiousity. I sadly agree that the vehicle will never see the production line and assign that blame to the original "Venture Group". Although I secretly hold on to Derwin's hope.

[Donald1800]

Actually, the basis of my opinion is the actions/events taken immediately by the 'Detroit Investors', not what the said (and are STILL saying):

1. Ignored the Venture forum, even after assigning a 'Communications Rep.' to the forum - ultimastely closing the forum perminently.
2 Shut down all comminications except through their exclusive mouthpiece, with the stipulation that he can't tell us anything.
3. Absolutely no system progress, not even promoting the concept, political action in preparation of acceptance of this unique vehicle or public promotion.
4. Silence is their modus operandi, hence the basis of my opinion that silence is their goal.

I also personally believe that ANY new medium priced vehical that has the capability of significant fuel consumption >45mpg seeking financial investment and has a chance of getting this investment, will be bought out by the oil interests and silenced.

I remind everyone of the tight integration of the auto/oil interests throughout history doing everything it can to stop significant fuel usage reduction - especially the purchase of patent rights to techniques for ICE fuel reduction, solar panel and battery breakthroughs, etc. ALL if these oil industry held patents will not see the light of day until other patents are filed which make these earl

[rickb]

Donald 1800...................thanks for the response. My opinion of the Persu Hybrid not making production or even getting to prototype status are based pretty much on the same four points. I'm a fan of Elio Motors Trikke concept which they seem determined to mass produce. I am hoping your prediction of big oil interests getting involved with that company to stop production of a 75 mpg enclosed three wheeler doesn't happen. Maybe it will take a company like K Way Motus to build such a vehicle and ship it to the US market.

[Donald1800]

I apologize for the abreviated last line and misspelled words. Three seperate attempts to post my opinion either disappeared mid sentence or while trying to use my spell checker. After the third disappearance, I gave up in frustration. I was shocked to discover that one of them was posted, as I never clicked on the post button. Wierd.

Donald1800

Note: It did it again when trying to post this message. As soon as I clicked on my spell checker, it dssappeared.

[Mike kZ]

Big Oil is trying to silence you! :)

[bmwgc1946]

Well K way Motus unit is looking good but we know that may not happen for a while. The Xprize compition is starting April 26,2010. keep aneye on the site. I think Elio’s trikke has some potential as an intermediary means of transportation at a good price. But Elio Motors web site does not give you much info http://www.eliomotors.com/overview.html (http://www.eliomotors.com/overview.html) . What is the power train? Seating one or two? Tandem ? Construction? Top speed? Approximate when it hits the road & where available? I might be interested if they had more data. Anyone got connections? Derwin you have been awfully quiet. The Oil Conspiracy Theory is looking more and more relevant. Is there really a physical address with humans at PM or just an empty room with a desk and telephone answering machine? My optimism is waning.

[rickb]

bmwgc1946..........check out the the Oakland Press article Derwin posted awhile back in the auto co eyeing pontiac plant thread. There is a photo of Paul Elio standing beside an actual running production prototype Trikke with a few more details than you find on their website. I'm particulary impressed with the 3 cyl. McLaren engine that drives the vehicle with McLaren's stated 83.8 mpg highway and 48.7 mpg city. A safe enclosed three wheel cabin trike that looks like a hoot to drive while waiting for a lean machine. Chip of Elio Motors told me that they had considered a tilting trikke but their focus group surveys and additional costs didn't warrant it.

[Dutchy]

Guys,

From the response on the K-way Motus site:
K-Way Motus team: Ho paura che un anno sará il minimo per vederlo sul mercato.

My translation: ... one year is/will be the minimum to sell it on the market.

The clock is ticking, so its time to start reserving money for the procurement of this beauty !

:burning:rubber:

[rickb]

I will wait patiently to be sure the translation one year minimum doesn't really translate minimum one VV/PM year. I can use the money I saved on the Persu Hybrid purchase for the K-Way Motus. A fly the road three wheeler with a fabric body should be affordable. This vehicle may be the one to watch for.......................... K-Way Motus enthusiasts.

[WarpedOne]

Can anyone help me find out what material K-way uses for their canopy?
Is it regular laminated glass or some form of plexiglass, lexan? Who is their source?
They're from Italy so they have the same laws upon them as I have upon me for my WarpOne (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1441816/4.jpg) :)

[bmwgc1946]

Hey guys
The XPrize competition has begun its first phase’
http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams (http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams)
K- Way I think looks great. Check them all out. There are a few funky entries. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[rickb]

I bet quantum coated lexan polycarbonate is used for the fixed windshield and roof panel. I noticed a blog on the K-Way Motus website perhaps one of out Italian speaking members could ask that question directly. Watching the series of videos showing the fabric being fitted and zipped over the crash proof frame are interesting and hope it would meet any USA Motorcycle safety restrictions that may apply. It's like a designer jacket for your vehicle.........very interesting. I wonder if its water resilient?

[Dutchy]

...perhaps one of out Italian speaking members could ask that question directly.

I can do Spanish, which perhaps is close enough. If anything comes back I'll try to post it here (in English).


It's like a designer jacket for your vehicle.........very interesting. I wonder if its water resilient?

If water is worrying, why not drive on to one of the worlds fashion capitals: Milan and fit your car with a fine nappa leather jacket. Available in every color of the spectrum !!!ypslj:kes;7(
You can then enter the Next Top Model competition...

[rickb]

Dutchy...........Spanish is close enough for me with a translator mode on the website. I'm opting for the hard body w/doors version, although, I would drive this vehicle with the collision proof frame only in the rain while wearing a fine nappa leather jacket. My only real worry is that it will take to long to get this or any other safe, affordable tilting vehicle to market.

[Dutchy]

Check out the video on their blog... in english !

http://k-way-motus.posterous.com/k-way-motus-spoken-introduction-by-its-design

BTW, i got an answer on the question about the windows: polycarbonate indeed. In one of the press videos I picked up two words in a rapid italian comment: polycarbonata and polyestere. Obviously, the latter being used for the body.

Enjoy !

[Derwin]

Check out the video on their blog... in english !

Very cool video! I absolutely love the K-Way vehicle. I just hope they get this thing produced....AND then bring it to America!

Here's the video embedded here....

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[rickb]

Dutchy thanks for that video. That is very cool........................ and the prime example of a team that is truly enthusiastic about developing a concept vehicle and working hard to get it done.

[Dutchy]

With the Icelandic vulcano quiter, the team was able to travel to Michican and do their X-prize shakedown test. Finally...

Here's the link to the team: http://k-way-motus.posterous.com/meet-the-team-25

I'll be watching for any results on this team in the coming days and repost promptly !

Ciao, Dutchy

[rickb]

I will be anxiously watching for results on this team. How I wish that was the Persu Mobility Team profile/credentials......................over a partnership of VV/PM lawyers and hucksters. Oh I kid VV and PM. K-Way Motus certainly has been willing to share information over the development phase of their concept.............no secrets/silence. My guess is that they actually were making progress and had something to report.

[Derwin]

I also like this company and their vehicle. I've had some brief communication with them in the past, and I wish them all the luck in the world.

And you right, rick, in that it should be the Persu Hybrid contending to win the prize. I recall we were so excited when they announced that they would actually be in it. Now all we can do is wonder why they withdrew. I know what I've been told, but I still don't understand.

If KWay wins, do you think it would be likely that they would mass produce this vehicle AND bring it to America for distribution? Regretfully, I am highly doubtful that this would happen.o:h"we"ll1

[rickb]

Yes......................if they win, and if they produce the vehicle at an affordable MSRP............ demand for such a unique, fun, eco-friendly vehicle would find it's way to US distribution. We may doubt that it makes production but the K-Way Motus Team seems creative, technically savvy, hardworking and passionate about this vehicle. I am optimistic about this one and we will know shortly.

[Derwin]

We may doubt that it makes production but the K-Way Motus Team seems creative, technically savvy, hardworking and passionate about this vehicle. I am optimistic about this one and we will know shortly.

Well, it's a great thing to be optimistic. Heck, over the past few years I've been accused of being "overly optimistic" (to put it mildly!) in regards to the Persu Hybrid. The Persu team was also very creative, hardworking and passionate about their vehicle. They had technically savvy people working for them and with them who actually had experience in bringing a vehicle to market. Unfortunately, those elements did not (up to this point) produce a vehicle in the marketplace.

The K-Way team has a great vehicle. I would buy it in a heartbeat if it were economically priced. But we have several hurdles that must be crossed. First, do they have the financial backing to get this done? I think the answer is "YES", since they already have an established company which markets other products. Second is the question of if they have the infrastructure in place to mass produce this vehicle. My answer to this would be most probably "no". And, as we all know, if they go the route of "hand building" these vehicles, they will most likely suffer the fate of the Carver in Europe. OK....let's say they get over both those hurdles, and actually produce a vehicle in Europe, which I still think is highly unlikely. Now who is to say that this vehicle will reach the American marketplace? Doing so is an incredibly large undertaking with all of the EPA and DOT regulations.

I'll point to the BMW C1 that was incredibly popular in Europe, but never made it's way to America....

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Look, I am not trying to put a damper on your enthusiasm. Heck, I am a HUGE fan of the K-Way Motus Team and the vehicle that they have created. I hope and pray that they DO win the XPrize and bring that baby into production. I guess I've just become a bit more jaded and skeptical over the past couple years.

As you've said....we will see soon enough.

[rickb]

I agree with everything you said with the exception of the Persu Team being creative, hardworking, and passionate about their concept. If Team Persu had any of those qualities there would be a prototype Persu Hybrid X-Prize entry. They were passionate about securing funding period. I have become a bit more jaded and skeptical too. The X-Prize win certainly would create a marketing platform to attract investors to K-Way Motus.

[Derwin]

I agree with everything you said with the exception of the Persu Team being creative, hardworking, and passionate about their concept. If Team Persu had any of those qualities there would be a prototype Persu Hybrid X-Prize entry.

Well, I guess you'll just have to take my word for this. I have witnessed the enthusiasm, passion and creativity of the Persu Team early on, and I would rate them second to none in those categories. The reasons for withdrawing from the XPrize contest were many, and I can say with full conviction that they did indeed want to stay in the game. Unfortunately, there were certain elements of the contest that caused their withdrawal.

Look... I am 100% behind the K-Way team. I simply LOVE their vehicle, and hope they win the contest and go on to mass produce the vehicle. I will be one of the FIRST people to put down my deposit if they do!

[rickb]

Your word is good. We all witnessed what we thought was enthusiasm and passion for getting Carver's creativity to the US mass market but in hind sight was a successful effort to create enthusiasm for a vehicle to attract funding. I understand you had more direct discussions with key people but I feel they were telling us what we wanted to hear. There may have been unforseen changes or elements that caused them to withdraw from the X-Prize competition but I think the primary reason is that there was simply no vehicle to enter, showcase, market, talk about(reason for the silence). The X-Prize isn't so much the point as no running protoype. One hand built vehicle............. but alas......... there was no team with the expertise to actually build it. Still obviously disappointed.

I like the K-Way Motus, as well, but it's no Persu Hybrid design wise and the Persu Team is no K-Way Team results wise. Anyhow, my deposit check will get there on or about the same time as yours if we are fortunate enough to see this vehicle to production.

[Dutchy]

To the ballot -or- put your vote where your mouth is...2thumb:up

http://k-way-motus.posterous.com/vota-k-way-motus-al-piaxp-vote-for-us

[Derwin]

To the ballot -or- put your vote where your mouth is...2thumb:up

I've already voted a couple days ago, and indicated this on K-Way's Facebook page.

You can join them on Facebook here.... http://www.facebook.com/k.way.m

They are by far the best design in the race.

[Dutchy]

They are by far the best design in the race.

Italians, what can you say... Form follows Function follows Style.

In other words: if you can't do it with style and a smile, don't ! (double negative... oops that's the Dutch approach).

Do it with Style and a Smile (...sounds like a Coke commercial);)

[rickb]

Thanks Dutchy! I am off to the ballot box in support of K-Way Motus and perhaps a vote or two for our USA entry the Tango 600.......a vote for safety, high performance, EV's, and American ingenuity..............not so much style, although style is very personal.

[Dutchy]

Some more news to keep your harts pumping with anticipation...:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvDnbNCKBm4

Apparently they dropped out of X-prize...:(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkRMnLfBuFA

Ofcourse, I'll keep following the development of this vehicle and team and keep y'all posted.

Dutchy

[Mike kZ]

They're out! That sucks!!

[rickb]

That sucks bigtime...............I was hoping they would win their category. Now all of my X-Prize votes go to the only other vehicle that makes me smile................Tango. Thanks Dutchy for the informative posts on K-Way Motus.

[Dutchy]

Here's the link to their Blog with the Shakedown Report...

http://k-way-motus.posterous.com/shakedown-report

[Mike kZ]

It sounds like they were leaning out the motor too much to keep up with mileage requirements, and killed the motor. Too bad!

[Derwin]

Yeah, this is bad news. I actually had some great hope for them going all the way.

I guess this shows how difficult it is to meet the guidelines of this contest. The people at Persu were entered into the contest as well, but then there were "glitches" that cause them to withdraw also, although a bit earlier than K-Way.

Hopefully BOTH companies will now focus on producing a good, reliable vehicle for mass production, and not on this contest. That's the executive decision that was made at Persu, and now it seems K-Way was "forced" to make the same decision.

[rickb]

I'm sorry to see no comparison between Persu and K-Way. K-Way had an actual vehicle entered/competing with unforseen mechanical difficulties forcing them to withdraw from the contest. Persu not so much.................. unless a piece of foam falling off a foam mockup Persu Hybrid is considered a mechanical difficulty. That is some "glitch".

The K-Way Team interview states "we are disappointed but can now focus on production". Persu............................continued dead silence.

[Derwin]

I'm sorry to see no comparison between Persu and K-Way. K-Way had an actual vehicle entered/competing with unforseen mechanical difficulties forcing them to withdraw from the contest.

Well, therein is your problem, rick. K-Way had "unforseen" problems, wherein Persu could indeed "foresee" the problems that they would encounter, and chose to withdraw from the contest a bit earlier than K-Way. Please make no mistake about it.... Persu was entered into the XPrize Contest.


Persu not so much.................. unless a piece of foam falling off a foam mockup Persu Hybrid is considered a mechanical difficulty. That is some "glitch".

In case you missed it (many did) .... Persu was actively working on the propulsion system, and Ian Bruce even posted a short video of this before being told to take it down. Persu has done much more than simply creating a "foam mockup", and you should at least give them a bit more credit. I know they over-promised. No question about it. But let's be fair.

I spoke with people at Persu when the decided to withdraw from the XPrize Contest (just as K-Way has just done), and I was given some valid reasons for them withdrawing. There were technical issues that they attempted to resolve with the people at the XPrize, but the issues could not be resolved. So, instead of spending a lot of time, energy, and money on staying in this contest, they have decided to focus all of their efforts on attempting to get further financing to move this project forward. I think it was the financially sound thing to do.


The K-Way Team interview states "we are disappointed but can now focus on production".

Well, Persu was also disappointed when they had to withdraw from the XPrize Contest, and I know this for a fact from speaking with them. The K-Way states that they will now "focus on production", and I hope these are not simply empty words. I think it would be great to see their vehicle mass produced and on the roads. I still think it's a long shot, though.


Persu............................continued dead silence.

Yep. I guess you can't do much without the funds to move you along. It's been an incredibly long silence, and all I can say is that I hope we hear from them soon.

[rickb]

I hope we hear from them soon too, however, that is a longer shot than K-Way Motus making production status. I do appreciate your continued and loyal support of Persu Mobility.

[Derwin]

I do appreciate your continued and loyal support of Persu Mobility.

Yeah, I guess you're gonna have to drag me away from this dream scratching and clawing all the way....until the realization of it's demise hits me......which it has NOT done just yet.

Persu is still alive. The dream is still alive. I will continue to believe that they will produce this vehicle until I hear final word that it is over. When that happens, then we move forward in another direction with this club. Until then, I'm a die-hard Persu Hybrid Enthusiast.

[mariner13]

I; too; will hang in there, Derwin. I am only 59; so if it takes a few more years; so what? The good things in life are worth waiting for.

[Dutchy]

Please cast your votes every day for the most INNOVATIVE vehicle: KWAY Motus on:

http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/fan-favorites

Their color is Orange too !!!

[Derwin]

Personally, I don't see even one vehicle entered into the XPrize contest that I would really spend money on owning, except for the K Way. The K Way wins, hands down, in "Style", "Innovative", "Practical", and most definitely in the vehicle I would ultimately want to own.

I have no idea how any other vehicle can even come close in this voting process. But, hey, that's my opinion!

[rickb]

I agree in regards to the K-Way and would buy this vehicle in a heartbeat. The only other vehicle I would own based on the big smile factor, safety, and performance is the eco-friendly orange colored Tango Commuter: 0-60mph in under 4 secs............. 120mph in the 1/4 mile..............150mph top speed and did I mention the safety cage

[Dutchy]

Yes, but... $0-100K+ <4sec...

[rickb]

If the Tango gets to a mass production status only $20k according to the father/son design team. That is why I am hoping they have X-Prize successs which may make it easier to attract the investment dollars they need to get to that next step. It's true of most of these vehicles to make them affordable. I wonder what the Prototype K-Way Motus price tag is.

[rickb]

Dutchy....................by the way orange is a color option.

[Dutchy]

Here's a video of the Kway Motus shakedown phase. Enjoy !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyJ8Ap2mj6g&feature=player_embedded

[rickb]

Thanks Dutchy............................I enjoyed the heck out of that..........................The K-Way Motus looks like one fun ride........................with one dedicated hard working team of actual designers/engineers/technicians behind it.

[rickb]

Specs from K-Way Motus X-Prize that I was unsure of which make this vehicle very attractive beyond the tilt: Anticipated cost $15-26K..........0-60 in 6 seconds...........112mph top speed. Works for me.

[Dutchy]

Hi RB, that makes 2 of us...

The reason I give this vehicle a good chance is how they define the mobility problem (getting from A to B the Italian way ie. FAST, w/o DELAY, STYLISH/COMFORTABLE and uuuuhhh, somewhat SAFE). So they base their design on a maxi-scooter (motor) instead of a car.

In their internal Italian traffic (and thus market) they're used to seeing an amorf/turbulent traffic flow of cars with (maxi)scooters rushing in between. Imagine a witch's cauldron in process...
Apart from that, it is big enough to develop and market this vehicle, compared to the Dutch market and the Carver. Also there is a need for narrow vehicles (Fiat500, scooters etc.) because a lot of villages and city neighborhoods still have a medieval road structure: curves with the hills and ofcourse narrow.

Imagine a CEO killed (in the harness) in a traffic accindent while driving his scooter to/from work. Unthinkable in the US (or Holland). But reality in Italy for Andrea Pininfarina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Pininfarina). Indeed, then CEO of the famous company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pininfarina) that designs for Ferrari, Alfo Romeo, Fiat etc. This is how traffic and passion (and RISK) is experienced in Italy.

The KWAY Motus team has all the (knowledge) infrastructure together in Turin. It makes a great platform to grow their product and team.

Dutchy

[Mike kZ]

I imagine it would get quite hot in there in the summer. There is no AC correct?

[Dutchy]

Yes, when I was there on summer vacations it could soar up to 30-40 Celcius (95-105 F). In august they flee their cities to the cooler coast...

I don't think this prototype has many luxuries onboard.

Dutchy

[rickb]

I am betting AC in the production model if it gets that far or maybe we Americans need to toughen up.....................I remember when I bought my first car there was no AC option....blah, blah, blah. A maxi scooter classed vehicle probably doesn't need AC providing the windows and top pop off. For year around driving in my climate heat would be more important although I could dress appropriately for the ride. What I would appreciate even more would be that the vehicle be designed around an engineered safety cage meeting NASCAR safety requirements.

[rickb]

Dutchy.......I like your stated Italian definition/view of the mobility problem. However, if the vehicle doesn't have an HVAC option in its production model I wonder how the Italians define comfortable? I would actually buy this vehicle without the luxuries...................driving it as an enclosed cabin scooter. At least the occupants are protected from the elements.

[Dutchy]

RB, thanks, in my opinion -being Dutch with only limited 1st hand experience in Italy- they have a very different priority list than we do.
While we're always trying to plan ahead (what if leads to protection from traffic and elements prio and thus robust/quality/SIZE does matter) they live more in the now (conditions are fine mostly leads to flashy style, fun factor hair-in-the-wind kind of RISK taking).
Ofcourse I cannot answer for them, let alone all of them. In the end they make their individual choices just like you and me.
What I can do is ask the team what list of minimal amenities they have planned for the production model... that would tell us a lot about their priorities!!!

Anyway in the end its all perception: I dont feel comfortable @ 30-40C, but if I'm driving that curvy road in the hot Italian sun on a scooter with my new girlfriend on the back, I'm sure it would make me VERY comfortable to keep moving at all cost, so as to keep -a bit- cool and prevent her from jumping off... perhaps that's what the canopy is for !!!

[rickb]

Dutchy, If that's the sole purpose for the canopy (keeping your current girl friend from jumping off)............................it would be an option for me having just celebrated my 42nd wedding anniversary (marital humor). If you can convince the team to comment on their planned amenities I would be very interested as would other club members.

[Dutchy]

Hi All,

I did post the question and here's the answer:
16/07/2010 2.06.26 - Geert (Giorgio) Snijders
Hi Mirko,

Do you have a list of luxuries planned for the production version of the vehicle (like power steering/braking, airco, cruise control, cabrio roof, xenon/led lights etc.)

Thanks, George

16/07/2010 17.15.03 - K-Way Motus team
Hi Geert, at the moment K-Way MOTUS it's not in production yet. It already has power steering/braking anf other interesting features, extra luxuries aren't planned at the time being. Thanks for your interest, please continue to follow us on this website and on our other websites (Blog, Facebook etc..) you can find links in this website. Bye, Mirko

Obviously, they have other priorities at this time. Although I think it would be best to integrate an AC from day 1 of the production design.

[rickb]

.................."power steering/braking and other interesting features"......................... Is AC/heat in the other interesting features category or extra luxuries category? I'm guessing luxury hoping for interesting although AC doesn't seem particularly interesting rather more of a necessity. I agree on integrating HVAC from day one of the production prototype. Thanks.

[Derwin]

Obviously, they have other priorities at this time. Although I think it would be best to integrate an AC from day 1 of the production design.

Are we REALLY serious about this? After all we've been through waiting for some vehicle....ANY vehicle to come out like this, are we really going to "nit pick" over "luxuries" that we want on a proposed vehicle???? I sure hope not. Heck, I'll be happy if they come out with the thing and it has 3 wheels and runs properly.... I just want a production vehicle like this on the roads. I'm not too worried about AC, radio, or any other peripheral item.

Unfortunately, I think we are really "dreaming" if we think the KWay is going to be available to us anytime soon. I would wager that the Persu Hybrid will be for sale in the US before the KWay is, and that's no joke. If the KWay vehicle ever makes it to market, it will be in Europe first, and then maybe after 5 years or so it MAY make it to the US market....and that's if it ever makes it to market at all. If this were a US company, then my feelings would be very different. But it is what it is.

I know, I'm becoming skeptical in my old age! lol

[Dutchy]

I would wager that the Persu Hybrid will be for sale in the US before the KWay is, and that's no joke. If the KWay vehicle ever makes it to market, it will be in Europe first, and then maybe after 5 years or so it MAY make it to the US market....

Not Invented Here/There: 100% agree.

As for the AC, as I live in Holland, 30+C is exceptional. So I agree with you. I wouldn't mind if it came with a tow trailer of coal and had to stoke it real good before hitting that curvy track....

[rickb]

I agree an enclosed clean coal fired tiling three wheeler of reasonable speed with one contoured plastic seat and a steering wheel is fine. If K-way made it to production and met US licensing/environmental requirements and was affordable......................... it seems like it should be easy enough to import a couple of vehicles. I will take the bet on Persu Hybrid vs. K-Way Motus..................which would be unfair because K-Way has an actual vehicle and a dedicated team of engineers and technicians actually working on the next phase to production and sharing information while they do it. The first tilting vehicle that made it to market was not by a US Company. This will likely be true for the first mass produced tilting vehicle and that is if we ever see one.

[rickb]

I just realized that we nit picked over luxuries we wanted to see available in the imaginary VentureOne/Persu Hybrid for three years so why not express the few options we would like to see in the K-Way Motus pototype as it heads to the imaginary production prototype phase. If the team listens fine if not that's fine too. It's part of the process that makes enthusiasts feel like being part of the only in your dreams process.

[Dutchy]

MOST INNOVATIVE contest result (http://k-way-motus.posterous.com/most-innovative-contest-result)


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[Dutchy]

Easy Entry Device (http://k-way-motus.posterous.com/easy-entry-device)


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What's in the picture above is a device that we haven't implemented yet in our K-Way MOTUS.
It shows how the vehicle leans and the seat turns when you open the door.
Purpose is to gain ease to the driver to get in and out of the car.
As said thie device it's not present at the moment but...

We want you to think how easy it is to sit in a car with its seat at approximately 3 ft from ground level (0,9 meters) compared to a car where the driver seats at less than a feet from street level.

Think about it and vote for us in MOST PRACTICAL VEHICLE contest (http://bit.ly/d8edPB)!

2thumb:up

[Derwin]

That's a shame they didn't grab FIRST PLACE for most innovative. I think the KWay vehicle was/is the most innovative AND practical vehicle in the entire lineup. But, hey, fourth place isn't too bad either!

[Dutchy]

Have you ever been jammed in a congested road inside your car?
You might have thought that there where too many cars for such a road.
Every car with it's big footprint moves an average load of 1.2 people.
You might have thought that all the system could work better with fewer and smaller vehicles.
That's definitely true.

K-Way MOTUS is optimized for the Urban Environment.
It has the smallest footprint for vehicle that wants anyway to be performing and agile.
Being narrow, it can can squeeze beside stuck cars.
With K-Way MOTUS the road would be used to move around more people and less useless empty car weight.
Then when you stop, you can fit 3 of them in a regular parking space.
That's another way to keep the roads as free as possible to get a better circulation.

This means PRACTICAL in our language.
Don't forget to vote for us if you agree on this. (http://bit.ly/d8edPB)

[Dutchy]

Here's the picture that came with the above statement. It was blank when I copied it the 1st time...

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[Dutchy]

Dear Friends,
K-Way MOTUS succeeded to get position number 6 in Most Wanted Vehicle contest.
We want to remind you that there were 33 vehicles in the competition and that some of them have always had a huge number of votes. (It's not clear if they were all regular votes)
Click here to see results (http://bit.ly/d8edPB)
This was the last contest from X-Prize open to Internet voting.
The final results are:
Most Stilish: 7th position in 33;
Most Innovative: 4th position in 33;
Most Practical: 4th position in 33;
Most Wanted: 6th position in 33;
We can be proud of this, we've had a great visibility with our presence in this international competition.
It will be easier for us to move on to the next stage, production, as soon as possible.
In the meantime Progressive Automotive X Prize competition is in its final stage.
The 16th of September the winners in the three categories will be announced.
There are $ 10 million to be won.
You can watch the award giving ceremony live on the website:
http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/live (http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/live)
(Check the time in your country here: http://bit.ly/XPrize_awards) (http://bit.ly/XPrize_awards))
Thank you for your help, we'll keep you up to date about K-Way MOTUS.
Thanks, bye,
Mirko, TTW

[rickb]

That clearly is a major K-Way Motus accomplishment. My personal favorite stylish, innovative, and FUNctional vehicle. I hope they are serious about moving on to the next stage of production without delay.

[Derwin]

I love the KWay Motus, and have had personal contact with them in the past.

The problem with getting your hopes up with actually owning one of these vehicles is that they are not likely to make it available to the American market anytime soon, even if they do eventually bring it to market in Europe.

This is just another case of a vehicle we will most likely never see in our driveways, unfortunately.

[rickb]

If they do bring it to their home market (I believe they can) and the powerplant/drivetrain (hopefully an EV option) meets U.S. emission standards and licensing requirements at the right price point.......... I will get one into my driveway. Shouldn't be anymore difficult than importing the Chinese and Italian tilting scooters.

[Derwin]

If they do bring it to their home market (I believe they can) and the powerplant/drivetrain (hopefully an EV option) meets U.S. emission standards and licensing requirements at the right price point.......... I will get one into my driveway. Shouldn't be anymore difficult than importing the Chinese and Italian tilting scooters.

Do you have any experience in importing products from overseas? If you do, then you should know the difficulty of importing a motor vehicle that has not been specifically made for this market.

I recently tried to import a BMW C1 into America, and it was a complete waste of my time. The BMW C1 was a very popular vehicle in Europe, and you can even see many being sold on ebay today in Europe. But just try to import one to America, and you'll understand that it is not a piece of cake.

The Chinese and Italian tilting scooters were specifically made for the American market, and received the EPA and DOT approval. The factories making these vehicles put out the time and huge amount of money to get their vehicles through the EPA and DOT, which is not an easy thing to do.

I have a bit of experience in this department, and I know a bit about this subject matter.

Look, I absolutely love the KWay Motus, and would purchase one in a heart beat. But let's be realistic about the prospect of this reaching the American marketplace. I would say that it's chances are even slimmer than Persu finally coming out with their Persu Hybrid.

[rickb]

Like I said if they do meet those requirements..........in my driveway. Since the K-way Motus Team was here as an X-Prize Competitor and have an american fan base and they seem to be intelligent..................my money is on K-Way Motus to design this vehicle for worldwide markets..............much better odds in my mind than Persu. One bet I wouldn't mind losing.

[Derwin]

Well, BMW not only has a fan base, but a solid product presence in America, and the C1 never made it here.

Like I said, I think it's an incredible long shot, but if they do it, you'll see one in my driveway as well.

[rickb]

I agree that BMW has a car and cycle fan base here(I am one) but the C1 scooter wouldn't have had much US market share because it was only a covered scooter alternative (great for safety) and there are many scooter options. With that said I hope their new C1 Concept (Based on the MonoTracer/Etracer) gets to market because that is truly unique as is the K-Way Motus..........both world class concept vehicles fitting that CarCycle alternative transportation niche for high mpg commuters and just plain fun recreational vehicles.

[Derwin]

Rick, there have been quality high-end cars in America for a long time also, but BMW still chose to bring their automobile brand to this market. The BMW C1 scooter was unique in so many ways, and there is still nothing that even comes close to it on the market today, and certainly not back in 2000 when they introduced the C1 in Europe.

You stated that you believe K-Way would bring their vehicle to the American market because they have a "fan base" here, and because they are "intelligent". My only point was that BMW has far more than simply a fan base, but yet chose not to introduce a new and revolutionary vehicle to the American market. They made this decision even though they indeed have a fan base, and even have the dealer infrastructure already in place to distribute the C1.

The K-Way Motus, in my opinion, has very little chance of reaching the American market. Heck, they haven't made any plans yet to even get the vehicle to market ANYWHERE as of yet. Right now, it's just a concept vehicle, nothing more and nothing less. We see concept vehicle every year at the annual Auto Show! To say that they will bring this to America is a stretch. I think the same thing stands for the new BMW C1 concept you mentioned.

And as for importing these vehicle if they do eventually come to market in Europe.... that is something that no person would attempt unless they have money to burn, and large sums of money at that.

I'm sorry to be a downer, rick, but I'm just looking at this realistically. I think you'll see the Persu Hybrid on the road long before you'll see the BMW C1 concept, or the K-Way Motus concept on the road and made available to the American marketplace.

[rickb]

Derwin, When the BMW brand became well known and finally available in the US there wasn't much competition from the US car manufacturers in terms of luxury and performance rolled into one Ultimate Driving Machine. Quite possibly that could still be the case if you have ever owned or driven a BMW. That's personal preferance I know. The C1 Scooter was simply not unique enough for BMW to market another scooter in the US.....................I'm guessing based on market research by a big Brand Company.

The fan base for the K-way Motus is the same as for any other enclosed TTW.......Persu enthusiasts included. It is a nearing production ready status with a running prototype, X-Prize entered (which performed quite well) with a team of designers, engineers, and technicians actually communicating progress and working towards a production vehicle. The chances of seeing this vehicle in my driveway are realistic. I am certain I won't be seeing either the BMW C1 Concept or the Persu Hybrid Concept because neither are beyond concept status and I am being realistic. Also, by intelligent I met smart enough to design a unique tilting vehicle for a world market that could be massed produced in multiple manufacturing or assembly facilities..................maybe even a location building custom K-ways in South Dakota.

[Derwin]

Well, rick, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about this subject.

The BMW C1 Scooter was indeed a UNIQUE vehicle back in 2000, and even in today's market. I believe the reason they never imported it to America is because of the cost involved. I believe they determined that nobody would pay $10,000 to $15,000 for a unique scooter.

We can go on and ask why Carver did not bring their incredibly unique vehicle to the American market. I think we can both agree that the CarverOne vehicle was unique, right? I think it would have been a hit in this market, but they chose not to bring it here. The pricing could have been brought down substantially on the CarverOne by simply partnering with a factory here in the states, or even in Japan for that matter.

I've never owned a BMW, but I have owned a couple Jaguars in my life. Although I really loved these vehicles, I came to the conclusion that they were just way too costly to service, not to mention the fact that these "luxury" vehicles are a bit ostentatious. I am not really looking to impress anybody with a luxury vehicle where you are paying to brandish a name. It's just not my style.

[rickb]

Well Derwin it's o.k. to disagree. So the reason they didn't bring the vehicle to the US market was cost not the fact that there was any problem meeting DOT and EPA Emission Standards. One mighty expensive scooter. I personally don't think the C1 market would have been here at half the price. I must say when K-Way Motus becomes available in various markets and it happens to be way overpriced it won't be setting in my driveway either and there will be no market for this vehicle beyond another rich man's toy. I sense they are planning to mass produce this vehicle in numbers that will make it affordable for the average commuter/enthusiast.

I have never owned a BMW or a JAG for that matter but have driven BMW's and if I could afford to own one it would not be to impress anybody it would be for the shear personal pleasure of the BMW engineered driving experience and satisfaction of owning a quality vehicle.

[rickb]

Regarding Carver bringing the CarverOne to the US market.....................they tried bringing it here thru Venture Vehicles and the VentureOne. The CarverOne was to expensive for the European markets let alone the US. My conclusion is that the DVC tilting technology was not reliable enough to mass produce (under 300 CarverOnes ever built and not nearly enough road tested miles)and there may have been safety issues regarding roll overs when oversteering the 1F2R design. CarverOne owners on this website mentioned problems with constant adjustments and tweaking to the chain drive and lack of authorized mechanics to deal with these issues which needless to say led to bankruptcy. Perhaps buying the rights to the DVC Technology was not a good investment after all.

[Derwin]

I must say when K-Way Motus becomes available in various markets and it happens to be way overpriced it won't be setting in my driveway either and there will be no market for this vehicle beyond another rich man's toy. I sense they are planning to mass produce this vehicle in numbers that will make it affordable for the average commuter/enthusiast.

I agree. They have to enter the marketplace at a price level that will be attractive to a wide audience. But I also believe this about Persu as well.


I have never owned a BMW or a JAG for that matter but have driven BMW's and if I could afford to own one it would not be to impress anybody it would be for the shear personal pleasure of the BMW engineered driving experience and satisfaction of owning a quality vehicle.

I purchased my first Jaguar because I just liked the look of it, and I also had the idea that it would "feel" good to drive a quality vehicle. That feeling lasted a total of about 1 week, and then wore off! In my opinion, a car is a car is a car, and they all really feel the same, UNLESS you are dragracing down the street with them or something!

The thing that attracted me to the Carver, and then to the Persu Hybrid, is that these vehicles are not simply cars. They actually bring the FUN FACTOR into driving, and joy into getting from point A to point B. Standard vehicles with four wheels all really seem the same to me when going the speed limit.


Regarding Carver bringing the CarverOne to the US market.......they tried bringing it here thru Venture Vehicles and the VentureOne.

Well, no, they did not. I wish it were so, but it simply is not the case. Ian and Howard purchased the rights to the DVC technology from Carver, but ONLY had the rights to produce a hybrid or all-electric vehicle using it. They did NOT have the right, and were actually prohibited from producing an ICE using the DVC technology. So, no, Carver did NOT try to bring their vehicle to the US market through Venture Vehicles.

In regards to the DVC tilting technology, there was nothing wrong with it. Sure, they had some bugs here and there, but that is expected in any products, just ask Steve Jobs. You can also look up any new model vehicle made by the big three in Detroit! I have personally discussed the Carver with MANY owners in Europe, and they simply LOVE their Carver, and have no major complaints about the vehicle or the DVC tech.

[rickb]

I agree that beyond affording the the initial cost of a vehicle you have to be able to afford to maintain it as well. Hopefully, the first enclosed TTW (K-Way Motus) doesn't nickle and dime us to death in maintenance and repair costs.

I know about the agreement but feel Carver sold VV the rights to develop a hybrid Carver for the US market which would enable Carver to supply the DVC pods to VV. Carver had to replace it's Dihatsu ICE with some alternative power source to meet US EPA standards to market in the US so why not let VV do the work on a hybrid version.................alternative strategy to get their technology on US highways or not (theory). Carver makes $xxxx per vehicle. Either way it didn't workout so well in a lose, lose situation. Both Carver and PM are gone. It's good to hear the DVC technology is proven and reliable based on owner feedback.

On a positive note we are having some discussion. Thanks!

[Derwin]

I agree that beyond affording the the initial cost of a vehicle you have to be able to afford to maintain it as well.

Well, it's not only about "affording" to maintain a vehicle. It's coming to the realization that it is not "worth" the money to maintain such a vehicle. It was far too expensive to maintain a vehicle where you are not getting the "value" that you expected. This was the case in my situation with the Jaguars.


I know about the agreement but feel Carver sold VV the rights to develop a hybrid Carver for the US market which would enable Carver to supply the DVC pods to VV.

Unless you heard something different, I don't believe Carver was supplying VV with anything, except intensive technical support. From what I understand in my conversations with people at Persu, they purchased a license to use the Carver tilting technology on an entirely new vehicle that they were producing. They were NOT simply producing a Carver with hybrid technology, but creating an entirely new vehicle altogether.


Either way it didn't workout so well in a lose, lose situation. Both Carver and PM are gone.

Well, again, I think you are stating facts that are not in evidence! Carver is not entirely gone. The technology division of Carver is still up and running, and was not a part of the bankruptcy. This is the division that Persu purchased the license from. And, of course, PM is not gone. To the contrary. I have spoken with people at Persu as recently as a few weeks ago, so I know for a fact that they are still there trying to get things in place.

[rickb]

Congratulations K-Way Motus Team on your X-Prize most wanted vehicle ranking. Please get on task implementing the next phase of your production plan. I am waiting patiently for your online pre-order form and word that you will be shipping a few of your first run production vehicles the the US.

[Derwin]

I was one, along with many other club members, who voted for the K-Way Motus in the most wanted category, as well as many other categories. They deserved first place in every category in my humble opinion. fir:st:pl:ace))1

But, sorry to say rick, you're going to have a looooong wait for their "online pre-order form" for the American market! =y:

[rickb]

Dutchy, I look forward to your K-Way Motus updates.....................anything going on? I hope they haven't gone silent after their XPrize accomplishments. This is my best chance for a TTW in the next 3 years.... my opinion. Thanks.

[Dutchy]

Hi,
I keep polling their site and blog, but other than the sep-17 message: And the winners are, there's nothing new. Ofcourse you all knew that already, so I refrained.
There were a couple lengthy Italian reactions, but I didn't bother trying to understand them, let alone translating...
Anyway, I will be the Silent Watcher until anything develops.

I'm really sorry to hear about PM's demise, but understandable given their internal and external circumstances.

Greetings from Holland!

TBC, Dutchy

[Dutchy]

As promised, hot from their blog...enjoy !:)

Torino & Superga, K-Way MOTUS on the road (http://k-way-motus.posterous.com/torino-superga-k-way-motus-on-the-road)

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A video shooting of K-Way MOTUS around the streets of Turin and up the hill of Superga, a famous panoramic spot near by the city.
Finally you can compare our vehilce with regular cars and scooters and see how it looks like in an urban environment.

[Dutchy]

The New York Times (http://k-way-motus.posterous.com/the-new-york-times)

Some X Prize Entrants and Why They Lost
By RONALD AHRENS

The winners of the Progressive Insurance Automotive X Prize, the three-year competition to produce 100-mile-per-gallon vehicles, will be announced later this morning in Washington.
Although there are only three winners, 24 vehicles were fielded from countries that included Canada, Italy and Switzerland. Their cars resembled lobsters, Lyle Lovett’s hair and ordinary Fords. For many reasons, they lost.
Here’s how the teams explained it:

American HyPower ZAMS
The name of this converted Toyota Prius comes from the acronym for Zero Age Main Sequence, the point at which a star burns on pure hydrogen.
The vehicle’s hydrogen-conversion process was said to change the state of normal fuel in a gas-electric Prius hybrid and create hydrogen in a device under the hood before feeding the gas into the combustion chambers.
The Colorado-based team of scientific engineers, with one member living in Budapest, had trouble with the fuel tank provided by X Prize officials and was eliminated in June.

K-Way MOTUS
The creation of Stefano Carabelli, an Italian design professor, the ultranarrow tandem vehicle was powered by an Aprilia motorcycle 800cc V-Twin engine and electric motors.
Mr. Carabelli wanted to keep the driver as high as possible to stay in synch with traffic. The cabin automatically leans from side to side, resisting centrifugal forces and keeping the waferlike vehicle from turning over.
“The real innovation here is the tilting mechanism,” he said. An extremely lean fuel mixture resulted in engine failure during testing.

Commuter Cars Tango T600
Rick Woodbury operates the one-man car company Commuter Cars in Spokane, Wash.
He claims supercar abilities for his tandem and customers who include George Clooney, Sergei Brin and Larry Page.
After the Tango failed efficiency testing in July, Mr. Woodbury said he didn’t design the vehicle for efficiency alone and that one day expressways will have special Tango lanes.

West Philly Hybrid X Ford Focus
A team made up of Philadelphia high school students entered a Ford Focus adapted as a plug-in hybrid.
But it didn’t properly recharge during testing after an electrical cord became unplugged.
“What would have put us over the top is if our team’s charging algorithms would have been more sophisticated” said Ann Cohen, the team manager. “They are now.”

FVT eVaro
George Parker, the president of Future Vehicle Technologies, based the model name on the Avro Arrow, Canada’s interceptor aircraft of the 1950s.
“The inspiration behind that was the Canadian technology,” Mr. Parker said. His three-wheeler uses a Honda Gold Wing motorcycle engine in series with electric motors.
The inventor, from Maple Ridge, British Columbia, had been developing the tandem since the 1970s.
The first of his three eVaros was finished in 2006 “before we heard about the X Prize.”
The vehicle overheated during testing.