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AZEqualizer
01-19-2008, 07:47 PM
AutoblogGreen Q&A: Malcolm Bricklin talks about building a PHEV supply base (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/01/19/detroit-2008-autobloggreen-qanda-malcolm-bricklin-talks-about-bu/)



Malcolm Bricklin: Actually, we are using the vehicle only as a way to sign up the dealers. But to truth of the matter is what we are really doing is trying to set up the infrastructure for electric vehicles and electric hybrid plug-ins. What we are doing is we are designing a vehicle as you can see right over there, which is going to be the size of a Mercedes S about the width of a Lamborghini that will get 100 miles to the gallon and sell for 40 grand. That, we think, will dispel everybody's thoughts that you can't build a big car and use electricity and get great gas miles and still sell at a decent price.

So that was our purpose, but the real purpose is to be able go to the dealers and say look; Here is what we have to sell to begin with and we are going to give a new product every year on that platform. But more important than that, we are going to do two things that we believe the industry needs or there is not going to be an industry. That is outside of the Big Three, if you are going to build electric or electric hybrid, you have got to find a way to distribute it and you have got to find a way to bring the component prices down. In order to bring the component prices down, if you are the Big Three you subsidize it. But if you are a little guy you can't subsidize it, which means that a lot of cars are going to come in to market for $100,000 and although they may be a nice value at $100,000 there is not a big market for $100,000 cars. We think the market is under $50,000, under $40,000 and of course if we get down to $30,000 then we really think that the market is going to open up.

ABG: Sure, the lower you can go then obviously more people will buy that.

MB: There is only way to do that and that is to get the component prices at the right price. In order to get the batteries and the motors and the engines at the right price, you need somebody to come in and order them, it is that simple. What our program is, is going out and setting up 250 of the best dealers in the country and they will give us each an order of 1,000 vehicles, giving me a quarter of a million vehicles, giving me letters of credit so I can go to my various suppliers and say OK, like for instance we just announced today we made a deal with Electrovaya (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/01/13/detroit-2008-bricklin-and-electrovaya-team-on-phev-battery-syst/) to be our battery supplier and we will go to them say, "What does it take to bring the prices down so that we can be competitive?" and we've made that deal. We will manufacture at these quantities, but we are going to offer the same components that we are using to anybody who wants to get in the business so the Teslas and the Phoenixes, and Fiskers. You name it, whoever is in the industry that wants to buy these components at the right price could come to us and say, OK, we want to buy those things and for roughly 10 percent more than what we are paying for that we will provide them. Once they do, we will then offer them the opportunity to go through our distribution network, which will include 250 dealers in the United States and we are setting up distributors in every country of the world. So it will be instantaneous distribution for everybody in the electric or electric hybrid plug in business, which uses our components.

This is just an excerpt... read the full article over at autobloggreen.com (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/01/19/detroit-2008-autobloggreen-qanda-malcolm-bricklin-talks-about-bu/)

AZEqualizer
01-20-2008, 08:59 AM
I know... In fact, he wants to talk with us. I'm meeting him on Monday. I'll let you know what happens. {Posted: 2008-01-20 by IanBruce on FTR site}

Mark Tomlinson
01-21-2008, 12:23 AM
Originally Posted by IanBruce
I know... In fact, he wants to talk with us. I'm meeting him on Monday. I'll let you know what happens.Oh boy. I hope Ian takes a deep breath before meeting with the guy. Malcolm is a big dreamer with poor execution. It's weird, most of his endeavors have failed - although Subaru America went off and succeeded after he left. Maybe "mixed success" is a better way of putting it.

I'd be really cautious around the guy.

randi
01-21-2008, 02:56 AM
Aha! Thanks for jogging my memory, Mark. Something was nagging me about that name.

Even with my very limited car industry savvy I'd come across a lot of notoriety linked with Bricklin.

He wanted to be the first to import chinese cars--I'd read an interview where he was being challenged about whether the chinese would let him do it; he claimed he had "official documents" signed by the chinese gov't. that allegedly established his credentials to export those cars. (I should look it up again, since it was a couple of years back.)

I found a 2005 video clip interview with Bricklin. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=104800#2

Here's more ... " Malcolm Bricklin's plan to be the first U.S. importer of Chinese autos hit a snag as his Visionary Vehicles LLC said it ended a joint venture with Chery Automobile Co., the company that was to build the vehicles."

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0501/02/A01-47455.htm

Geez ... this guy gets a lot of "questionable" press.

Here's what Oregon auto dealer, Ron Tonkin, who lost more than $100,000 said about Bricklin, "I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him."

Caveat emptor [lector, bettor], indeed. Oh, heck, throw those in there as well.

Shoot! Now, I really want to hear what VV reports back from meeting with Bricklin.

Edited to add:

After browsing this http://www.inc.com/magazine/20050701/disruptor-bricklin.html, I sure hope Mr. Bricklin doesn't pop his buttons in tomorrow's meeting with VV. =D

rogwild
01-21-2008, 11:49 AM
The IDEA of a National chain of dealerships and trained repair facilities sounds tempting (even though it DOESN'T EXIST yet). I'm sure Ian will hear the 'proposal' and consider it with a critical mind.

An 'interim' solution would be to go with an agreement with some National Repair Chain, such as Midas, Meinike, Precision Tune, etc. and have selected shops (near major cities, or perhaps near early owners) to send a couple 'technicians' to be 'factory trained' (with the 'option' of future Vv employment) in the mechanics of the Vv. This could be used until a National/Regional Vv Dealerships are established. And these 'trained technicians' could also be the core of the new dealership's maintenance crews, after the dealerships come 'on-line'.

AZEqualizer
01-21-2008, 01:30 PM
Your better off with a motorcycle repair company since it is closer to the type of ICE, chassis and lift type system than a car.... and since no one has Hybrid or EV / PEV exp.... who knows maybe Bricklin is teamed up with the right people this time. I am sure Ian and team are savvy enough not to step into something that would be detrimental to them or Vv as a whole.

Mark Tomlinson
01-21-2008, 10:59 PM
Here's more ... " Malcolm Bricklin's plan to be the first U.S. importer of Chinese autos hit a snag as his Visionary Vehicles LLC said it ended a joint venture with Chery Automobile Co., the company that was to build the vehicles."
Oh yeah, that was another issue I had - not with Bricklin per se, but with, well, Bricklin. His new company is Visionary Vehicles - VV for short. I know Ian has been talking about changing the name of Venture Vehicles. I'd hurry up and do it just to distance myself from Bricklin.

Malcolm has no qualms about doing business with a company called Chery, although Chevy has already made their opinion known. Daewoo is GM's Korean subsidiary and they are suing Chery because the names are not only the similar, but Chery intends to import to the US a car car that looks like a car Daewoo imports as the Chevy Spark.

Sure, that's not Malcolm directly, but you are judged by the company you keep. I wouldn't want to get into a name game with the guy.

AZEqualizer
01-22-2008, 02:02 PM
Randi631: Malcolm's got a colorful history -- no doubt about that. But he's also a driven, and highly effective individual. Personally... I like him a lot -- but that's no basis for a business relationship. We'll continue talking to see if we can find some areas of common synergy, and conduct the same due-diligence we'd do with any other major partner.

Besides the man himself, what I found most intriguing was his relationship with battery company Electrovaya. If they can actually pack 1.5kW/hours in the pack he showed me -- and at the cost they're quoting -- we may be doing some business in the future.

On a side note: While I expected a high degree of mental acuity from Malcolm, there's a physical acuity to him that surprised me. I think he'd be a good guy to have around in a scrape. ;^)

From yesterday:
http://www.flytheroad.com/1_18_07_post/IMG_4555.jpg
{Posted: 2008-01-22 FTR site Ian Bruce}

randi
01-23-2008, 03:20 AM
Originally Posted by IanBruce [excerpted from Aze's post above]
Randi631: Malcolm's got a colorful history -- no doubt about that. But he's also a driven, and highly effective individual. Personally... I like him a lot.

Looking at the attached image, looks like the feeling is mutual. [Personally... I like him a lot.]

Funny how it's like a mirror image--plus or minus 10 years (more or less), on either side. Same ear clip, same dark attire, same toothy smile.

Same "mad" drive to be the first to bring in a green 100mpg vehicle to the driving throng.

Same initials.

Time will tell whether this brief encounter matures into a deep, meaningful and mutually fulfilling LTR.

Bladerunner
01-23-2008, 08:30 AM
Could it be...? Maybe.... Ian is really MB's clone!!! (or a replicant)