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AZEqualizer
06-10-2009, 05:29 PM
I thought this was an interesting approach and have copied the whole article since it was small.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2009/06/riversimple_cad.jpg

Autoblogreen (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/06/10/riversimple-urban-car-hydrogen-car-revealed/) had this to say:

According to Autocar in the UK, a new hydrogen fuel cell-powered city car will be unveiled next week. The car has been designed over the last three years by students at Oxford and Cranfield universities in England. Roughly the size of a smart fortwo, this hydrogen-powered vehicle will reportedly weigh just 770 pounds (350 kilograms), which will allow it to reach speeds of 50 miles per hour and boast a range in excess of 200 miles using a comparatively small fuel cell and hydrogen tank.

In fact, Riversimple (http://www.riversimple.com/) – backed by Sebastian Piech, grandson of Ferdinand Porsche – will reportedly equip its first vehicle with a 6 kW fuel cell. That's positively tiny, especially when compared with other hydrogen-powered cars like the Honda Clarity, which uses a 100 kW fuel cell. One electric motor at each wheel will provide the car's motive force and a bank of ultracapacitors is used in lieu of a battery for energy storage.

The planned sales scheme is just as interesting as the car. Apparently, Riversimple plans to lease the cars for a period of 20 years (!), the price of which will include the cost of fuel. A total of ten prototypes are in the works and the company hopes to partner up with a city to launch a hydrogen infrastructure at the same time. Something you don't like about the project? Feel free to change it – this is an open source design that will be made available online.

Derwin
06-10-2009, 05:32 PM
Something you don't like about the project? Feel free to change it – this is an open source design that will be made available online.

Now that is pretty cool, AZE! But is this a 2F/1R or 1F/2R design? I didn't see this mentioned in the article.

I like the idea of "open source"..... I think we've been talking about something similar somewhere in this club, haven't we? :bounce:

Derwin

AZEqualizer
06-10-2009, 05:58 PM
There is not much info at this time but they are suposed to release more info June 16th. From looking at the drawing it would appear to be a typical car configuration. This is from England where they got some pretty weird things on the road already ... so I am guessing that certain requirements are lax.

AZEqualizer
06-16-2009, 06:57 PM
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Here is the June 16th unveiling from Autoblogreen: (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/06/16/riversimple-open-source-fuel-cell-car-could-cost-just-315-month/)
The official press release is at the bottom of this article and here on Riversimple's site. (http://www.riversimple.com/LatestNews.aspx)


According to Horizon Fuel Cell Technologies, the company that developed the fuel cell used in the Riversimple, "This innovative car could be made available to consumers for just 200 pounds Sterling ($315) per month." Compare this to the lease or purchase prices of other advanced technology vehicles. The MINI E, for example, costs $850 a month for a year. The Honda FCX Clarity is $600 a month for three years. Sure, these are different vehicles and, with the MINI E, different technologies, but a lot of people shop with their wallets, and $315 beats $850, easy. When we first learned about the car last week (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/06/10/riversimple-urban-car-hydrogen-car-revealed/), we heard that the lease period is a reported 20 years (http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle.ASpx?AR=240683), so that will take the bloom off the rose a bit.


Too bad it is major ugly and looks like it escaped from a cartoon - but it is a starting place I guess.

ziggy951
06-16-2009, 07:16 PM
/sarcasm on

That would be a sweet car to get in an accident with. Considering most of the vehicle is UNDER an SUV's bumper. Heck their bumper would probably go nicely under a Honda Accord bumper for that matter.

Interesting insight about how people dont want to own vehicles anymore too huh. Yeah lets do away with the whole personalization of things that belong to us too while were at it. No more ring tones, or different colored vehicles...and while we are at it lets destroy the entire aftermarket auto industry as well! Hey I know, lets all just rent houses that are all the same size and shape based on mandates from the government as well.

/sarcasm off

I understand their effort but I wish people would use some common sense along side intelligence.

Z

rogwild
06-16-2009, 08:10 PM
Well looks like another of those 'exotic expensive vehicles' has the SCISSOR DOORS.dr:ive1) Too bad an inexpensive vehicle like the Persu Hybrid cannot figure out how to make them affordable and practical.:confused: No 'door opening' into traffic, or hitting curbs or parking meters!2thumb:up
Call me 'Old Fashioned'; I'd rather OWN, and 'personalize' the vehicle I drive!:burning:rubber:

Mike kZ
06-17-2009, 07:48 AM
9 years to get this car on the road!! ypslj:kes;7( I think we're in for a long wait with Persu!

rogwild
06-17-2009, 08:14 AM
9 years to get this car on the road!! ypslj:kes;7( I think we're in for a long wait with Persu!
AND their 'earlier project' (that never made the road), the LIFECar, was a 'joint' project; "The partnership is made up of legendary British sports car manufacturer, the Morgan Motor Company, QinetiQ, Cranfield and Oxford Universities, BOC and OSCar.(and had UK government funding)".
http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/lifecar3.jpg
Hummm.....Venture Vehicles....12 prototypes by Sep. 2007...production 3-4qtr. 2008.??????

Mark Tomlinson
06-17-2009, 11:36 PM
9 years to get this car on the road!! ypslj:kes;7( I think we're in for a long wait with Persu!
Maybe it will take nine years to figure out where they're going to get hydrogen to fill it.

slowblast
06-19-2009, 02:48 AM
No people in England/EU may not want to own cars, and a lot don't.

ziggy951
06-19-2009, 03:15 PM
And that is a major difference between the US and the rest of the world. Urban sprawl, personal ownership, and personal space. Some of it gets ridiculous, on both sides, but the Smart vs Hummer argument is a perfect example.


Z

rickb
06-20-2009, 03:01 PM
The inexpensive Persu Hybrid foam mockup really doesn't need doors that open. I bet that when Persu Mobility gets as far along with their project as Riversimple it will have a practical scissor door.