Windows vs. Other Operating Systems

[Derwin]

You can ask my friends Derwin!!! I said to them back then, "If they continue to produce low quality cars like the one I bought, they will go Bankrupt!!!"

Well, I've always said that Microsoft is going to go bankrupt with all of the "crap" (said tongue in cheek!) that they put out. I'm still waiting for that to happen, though!

I guess I owe you an apology. You get first prize in the prognostication dept.!


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Derwin

[Miracleman89]

Well, I've always said that Microsoft is going to go bankrupt with all of the crap that they put out. I'm still waiting for that to happen, though!

I guess I owe you an apology. You get first prize in the prognostication dept.!


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Derwin

I would also agree with you on that one as well! I think as more people become acquainted with operating programs other then Windows, they will find things simpler and less of a hassle as well as the fact that there will be less viruses!!! My personal opinion is they too will eventually fall prey to inadequate merchandise or they will pull their heads out of the rears and design a virus proof program! I just don't see them becoming that technically advanced in time to avoid demise!

[Derwin]

I would also agree with you on that one as well! I think as more people become acquainted with operating programs other then Windows, they will find things simpler and less of a hassle as well as the fact that there will be less viruses!!!

MM89, I was saying that tongue-in-cheek! I don't think Microsoft is going anywhere.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the main reasons that pc's are attacked by viruses so much is because THEY OWN THE MARKET in computers. I think something like 98% of all computers worldwide are pc's operating on on the windows system, so this is where the attackers concentrate their efforts.

Believe me, if Microsoft went bankrupt (not likely to happen!), and Apple suddenly became THE system being used by 98% of the people around the world, then it would become vulnerable as well.

If I'm wrong, then please explain why.

Hey, I think this thread has officially been jacked! :threadjacked:

Derwin

[ziggy951]

Viruses!?!?

I havent had a virus since 1999, and thats because I was a dumb teenager looking at .....well, things that are associated with hacks, trojans, and viruses.

Its not about the operating system you use. Its about the protection you have on that operating system.

The whole Apple to MS thing is getting old. Its the same as the Firefox to IE comparison. The lesser used program/device/etc wont get as much attention because there is less to gain from exploiting it. Just like the biggest new thing on hackers, crackers, and jackers plates now is the Iphone...that doesnt mean apple's system is inferior, it just means that exploiting that product will give the biggest gains.

And yes, this thread is :threadjacked:



Z

[Miracleman89]

Hackers target Windows for a lot more then it being the most widely used!!! Find me one hacker that likes windows!! Most prefer linyxs systems. The other reasons are because windows regularly releases less then adequate programs, with more back doors then you can count. Their systems are easily hacked because they don't protect the system properly. The one thing in the program that is protected properly in the copyright. This is why hackers attack them all the time, because they produce less then safe programs and they don't care, because like you said they own such a share in the market that if your system does crash, they will most likely get some proceeds from that because the new system you buy will probably have windows installed on it as well! Think about when Vista first came out, there were so many glitchs and crap, people actually started going back to XP because of it. They managed to get most of them under control but heck it took nearly a year!!! Look I am not saying they will crash tomorrow!!! All I am saying is, as more people become familiar with other operating programs and more begin to see just how poorly made Microsoft Windows is they will feel the crunch, and when they do they had better pull out all the stops, fix the back doors, and create an overall better program or they too will eventually see their own downfall to bankruptcy!

[Derwin]

I actually responded to your post a couple days ago, but then decided to pull it after about 10 minutes. I just thought it was futile to argue about this, and I also thought that this thread has went too far off subject as it was. Anyway, since you posted again, I feel I must respond....


Hackers target Windows for a lot more then it being the most widely used!!!

I'll tell you what... If Windows was only installed on 9% of the computers in the world, hackers wouldn't even bother with it. The main reason people hack into computers and create viruses, is to create havoc across the board. Their ego would not be "stroked" if what they did was never noticed.



The other reasons are because windows regularly releases less then adequate programs, with more back doors then you can count....This is why hackers attack them all the time, because they produce less then safe programs and they don't care...

I find it very easy to be critical of people/companies that are out there CREATING wonderful programs and products that have changed the world, and it's a shame. Microsoft, for all its mistakes and flaws, has still changed the world with the products that they have created in the past, and continue to create. I wouldn't be so quick to trash them.


All I am saying is, as more people become familiar with other operating programs and more begin to see just how poorly made Microsoft Windows is they will feel the crunch...

That's your opinion, and certainly not fact (unless you polled every pc user, and they were familiar with all available systems!). I, for one, simply LOVE Windows, even with all of its flaws. I sure like it a whole lot better than the Apple operating system such as Leopard. I actually purchased my first Apple computer last year, and then sold it on ebay after about 30 days. I JUST DID NOT LIKE THE OPERATING SYSTEM! My brain is "wired" for a pc, and I couldn't get used to, and did not like Leopard at all. So these things are VERY subjective, MM89. One is not "better" than the other unless a person LIKES it. Personally, I like Windows better than the Apple system. That's my preference, and I know a whole lot of other people that agree with me. I also know a lot of people that like Apple and think their system is better.

And as far as Linux goes, this website is being hosted on a Linux server, as are all of my other websites. I don't know enough about it, though, to use it as my main OS for my personal pc. Bottom line is, I have no reason to change. I simply LOVE Windows, and have rarely had any problems with it. I think it's a GREAT product.

So, since this thread has now been officially jacked, should we move these posts to a "new" thread with the appropriate subject? :threadjacked:

Derwin

[Derwin]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Persu Hybrid, but I thought this discussion needed its own thread. So I moved the entire thing into Derwins Cigar Lounge....

[ziggy951]

I too have used just about every operating system out there. At least all of them available to most people. I started on a Comodor 64. I have run small systems on Cobol. I have worked with most windows server platforms. I have dabbled on open source. And yes I have worked extensivly with macintosh products.

I too will probably only own a Windows system, possibly an open source project like Redhat but never a Mac. People that hate MS products all use the same statement. "If you actually use a product outside of MS you will find out how lame MS really is."

Mac OS's arent...in my opinion...even half as user friendly as MS products, are less intuitive, and less supported by the software community. This fact alone is why MS will continue to own the market place and why Mac will continue to scrape by at less than 15% marketshare until something like the cloud comes into mainstream acceptance and everyone switches over to a web based acces system run on open source or some other server OS.



Z

[Miracleman89]

OK, let me just say this! It is hard for someone to re-learn how to do something right? Well as more kids buy apple as a result of owning their little iPods. They will become more acquainted with Apple's system over Microsoft's system, resulting in a reversal of the current mind set.

Now, I am not saying, nor have I ever said it isn't user friendly!!! But run into a problem and you better call your tech help line!!! IN MY OPINION it is a heck of a lot easier to fix a problem on a Mac then on a PC!!! Of course you don't tend to run into near as many on a Mac!

Now just sit back and watch the show. I didn't say it would happen tomorrow or even ten years from now, I will say it again, If they don't start releasing programs with far less glitches and a lot less back doors, then it will eventually happen!

[Derwin]

OK, let me just say this! It is hard for someone to re-learn how to do something right? Well as more kids buy apple as a result of owning their little iPods. They will become more acquainted with Apple's system over Microsoft's system, resulting in a reversal of the current mind set.

Yep. That could happen. But what you mentioned is just a matter of marketing, nothing else. That scenario says nothing about kids CHOOSING an apple because they thought the operating system was easier.


Now, I am not saying, nor have I ever said it isn't user friendly!!! But run into a problem and you better call your tech help line!!!

Yeah. You call tech help. That's what it's there for. But, guess what? When I had my apple, I ran into SEVERAL problems that I couldn't figure out. I called Apple, but never got through to their "geniuses". That really upset me. I never had that problem with Dell technical support.


IN MY OPINION it is a heck of a lot easier to fix a problem on a Mac then on a PC!!! Of course you don't tend to run into near as many on a Mac!

I had more "problems" with my Apple in the month that I owned it, then I had with a PC/Windows computer over the past 25 years. That's MY experience, not an opinion.


Now just sit back and watch the show. I didn't say it would happen tomorrow or even ten years from now, I will say it again, If they don't start releasing programs with far less glitches and a lot less back doors, then it will eventually happen!

Well, we'll see. Like I said, I LOVE Microsoft and the Windows system. And, believe me, I WANTED to get into an Apple. And that had everything to do with Apples MARKETING. I really desired to make the switch, but once I tried, I ran right back to Microsoft as fast as my little feet would take me!

Now, listen, I have a few friends (including one of my brothers!) who own and enjoy their Apple computers. I also have friends who have bought Apples, and then switched back to a Windows based PC. Bottom line is... a lot of people really love the Windows based system. A lot of people really love their Apple based system. There is no "better" system here, is there? I don't think you are "wrong" in your opinion of Apple. You, along with millions of others, really like it. My only "argument" is with the statement that Microsoft is going to go bankrupt like GM. My "opinion" is that you are saying this because you are not a Microsoft fan. It would be just like me making the statement that I believe Apple is going to go bankrupt if they don't "fix" this or that on their system. I'm not going to do that.

There's room in this world for both the Mac and the PC. We don't have to fight with each other about this. We all have our opinions, and we can express them. That's what a forum is all about. If I came across too strong with any of my opinions, then I publicly apologize.

In the words of the immortal Rodney King...."Can't we just all get along?" I think we can, and I think we will. thu:mbs:up:22

Derwin

[danbucks]

Microsoft will not go bankrupt. To compare GM to Microsoft ... they share nothing in common. Their product, their business practices, or their potential for market expansion or entrenchment (read: monopoly)

Re: There is no "better" system : there most certainly is.
Does it come from Apple always? No.
Does it come from MS always? No.
The better system is just that: the entire system (HW and SW).
In recent history - and I mean recent - I know of no one who couldn't recommend Apple, unless:
a) their goal wasn't the "better" system, but the cheapest damn one possible
b) their business just couldn't justify it (e.g. everyone has IBM, extra parts = IBM, etc.)
Some of these [Apple users] people don't even use Apple SW...

Re: viruses
Windows is most certainly attacked more because it is so common. But it is also a known fact that Windows is inherently less secure than other operating systems for reasons other than obfuscation for the competition. This is because a) MS's feature size (ex: Active X) b) their target audience (not just business but end user) c) bad programmers - MS has their fair share, who knows the %, but larger = higher chance of foobaring d) stupid end users = more danger for the rest of us. e) stupid 3rd party developers (just more of them in volume).
Any business running Windows needs to take extra precaution, but any well run ship is just that...

[Derwin]

Re: There is no "better" system : there most certainly is.
Does it come from Apple always? No.
Does it come from MS always? No.
The better system is just that: the entire system (HW and SW).

I will never talk down any system. All I was doing was sharing MY PERSONAL experiences with the Apple system. I personally don't like it.

As to which is "better"...that is subjective to a large degree. I would not take an Apple for free if it meant that I had to work on it every day. I spend around 15 hours a day on the computer, and the Apple is just not for me. I like the Windows OS much "better". And, as far as programs go, I think Windows offers a heck of a lot more in volume. Some good and some garbage...depending on the 3rd party maker.


In recent history - and I mean recent - I know of no one who couldn't recommend Apple, unless:

Well, I would not recommend either, actually. I would just tell a person about my personal experiences, and let them decide. If a person is BRAND NEW to computers, I might tell them to try out the Apple, and learn it, but I'm not sure.

Again, I just like everything about a PC. From the operating system to the other software programs, all the way to the keyboard and mouse....I just like a PC better. That's just my personal preference, though.

I have absolutely nothing negative to say about Apple itself (although the genius response was not that great). I just like PCs better for the reasons I mentioned.

Derwin

[danbucks]

All well and good, but you missed my point: you keep saying you personally don't like the Apple system, and you like the Windows OS much "better". My main point is/was: which one?
i.e. things change over time.
Unless you have spent 15 hours a day on Leopard 10.5 against, say, Vista (I have), on a computer specifically designed for it and your needs, your preference is as old and dated as computers and needs a refresh. :-) Not meant to be a slam in any way, just a twisted humorous way to point that things change and move very quickly - so "old and dated" is tongue-in-cheek.

That said: the best OS for you is: of course, the one you are used to.
Unless your machine is crashing every other day, it doesn't matter what OS your are using: you will be more efficient on that platform with which you are familiar.

I will wager the upcoming generation will have far less problems switching on a dime/retraining at any stage in life, having lived and breathed modern computers from day 1.

[Derwin]

All well and good, but you missed my point: you keep saying you personally don't like the Apple system, and you like the Windows OS much "better". My main point is/was: which one?
i.e. things change over time.

The main structure of the Windows based operating system is the same, no matter what version you use. Currently, I'm using Vista, with all of the "protection" items deactivated. I thought they were an annoyance, but I still think it's good that they give you the freedom to choose whether you want it or not. But, again, the basic framework is the same as Windows 95, so I guess I really am missing the point. The "looks" of the system may have changed, and they may have added certain features over time, but the base structure is pretty much the same.



Unless you have spent 15 hours a day on Leopard 10.5 against, say, Vista (I have), on a computer specifically designed for it and your needs, your preference is as old and dated as computers and needs a refresh.

Well, I know of MANY people that own BOTH systems, and they make a living on the computer. Some of these people say that they like the Windows based systems better than the Apple. I also know of others that prefer Apple.


That said: the best OS for you is: of course, the one you are used to.

And which one you enjoy better. I did not enjoy the Apple. Others obviously do.


I will wager the upcoming generation will have far less problems switching on a dime/retraining at any stage in life, having lived and breathed modern computers from day 1.

Absolutely. Actually, I think people are capable of doing that now... in this current generation. And they can switch from Apple to a PC, and vise-versa. Although my brother gets completely lost when he tries to operate a pc (he currently uses an Apple).

I personally know my way around a pc very well, and I feel comfortable using it. If there were things that an Apple could do for me, which a pc could not, then I would take the time to learn the Apple completely, and make the switch. But my pc does what I need it to do, and so much more.

I use a bunch of high-end software programs that work fine. I have a $4500 AutoCad program, as well as the complete Adobe Suite, that works incredibly well on my pc. I like the way they show up on my pc, and the way the "working area" is displayed. I like the "right click" of a mouse. I like the keyboard. I like everything about how the Windows OS works. Again, I cannot say that about Apple.

So, it has absolutely nothing to do with there being a "better" product out there that I (or others) are incapable of learning. It has everything to do with simply not liking it.

Derwin