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Derwin
01-22-2009, 12:09 PM
Well, I guess Ian's question of "Where's my flying car?" has been answered!




http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/01/22/gallery/flying-car-324x205.jpg (http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/01/22/flying-car-zoom.html)
Prepare for Takeoff | Discovery News Video (http://dsc.discovery.com/news/video/)



Jan. 22, 2009 -- A Boston-area company plans to begin flight tests this year of a two-seater airplane that moonlights as a car.

The aptly named Transition takes a stab at bridging the gap between automobiles (http://dsc.discovery.com/technology/tech-10/cars-fuel-efficient-top-10.html) and airplanes (http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/01/20/airplane-boarding.html). Some people call it a flying car. The company designing and selling the vehicle prefers the term "roadable aircraft."

Either way, it boils down to this: You sit down behind the steering wheel, drive to the runway, unfold two wings and take off. You can fly 500 miles on a tank of gas -- regular unleaded -- and when you land, you simply fold up the wings and drive where you want to go. At the end of the day, you fly back, drive home and park inside your garage.

Terrafugia, of Woburn, Mass., is not the first firm to attempt what may be the ultimate hybrid.

"It's probably a concept that people have been dreaming up since there have been airplanes and cars," said Dick Knapinski with the Experimental Aircraft Association, a 55-year-old aviation group based in Oshkosh, Wisc.

A company called Aerocar of Longview, Wash., debuted one of the first flying cars in 1949. The company built six prototypes, one of which is sitting in the EAA's museum, but never went into production.

Terrafugia, founded in 2006 by a group of MIT students, has taken deposits for more than 40 Transitions and plans to begin deliveries in 2010, said Richard Gersh, vice president of business development.

The vehicles sell for $194,000.

Advances in materials and propulsion technologies are among the reasons why Terrafugia is in position for commercial success. But equally important, says Knapinski, is an easing of government regulations on private aircraft and pilot licensing.

In 2004, the Federal Aviation Administration created a new category of aircraft and license for sport aviation, an attempt to re-awaken interest in flying after steady drops in the number of licensed pilots.

In the United States, about 600,000 people are licensed to fly aircraft, a drop of 25 percent since 1980, Knapinski said.

"The FAA and the aviation industry realized there has to be a way to get people interested in flying. Even the airline pilots of today had to start somewhere with basic flying. There had to be an entry point that was practical and affordable," he said.

Sport pilot licenses don't require as many hours of training as private and commercial pilot licenses, though sport fliers are not eligible to take off and land at runways with air traffic control towers. The medical requirements for sport pilots also are less stringent than for other types of pilot licenses, matching what is needed for a driver's license.

"What the FAA and the government say by having that rule is that these vehicles have the same level of complexity as motor vehicles," Knapinski told Discovery News. "You fly in non-complex airspace at relatively low speed."

Regulations covering the new category of sport aviation aircraft likewise are reduced.

"It gives us an opportunity," said Terrafugia's Gersh. "We could never compete with Cessna or Boeing."

One of the biggest obstacles facing a company like Terrafugia in launching a personal aircraft is not technical in nature or even cost, added Knapinski. It's perception.

"The comfort level for a significant percentage of the population is not there," Knapinski said. "They just don't believe they can operate this type of machine."

Perhaps having an airplane under the same roof as the family car will be just the ticket.

rogwild
01-22-2009, 02:52 PM
Hummm..... "taken deposits for more than 40 Transitions" and the thing has not even FLOWN ONCE = ("plans to begin flight tests this year"). I guess there are a lot of 'DREAMERS' out there with 'Loads of Money'..... even in these financial times.

AZEqualizer
01-22-2009, 03:11 PM
The answer is " It still isn't here!"

Miracleman89
01-23-2009, 01:13 AM
no the answer is it will be repoed before it comes to market!

mariner13
01-23-2009, 01:05 PM
http://www.terrafugia.com
May have flown by now. I think this one will actually work. Been following this sort of thing since the late '70's. Will we ever get the chance to own one? That is always the $64,000 question. If link works; check it out.:cool: There is at least one Aerocar still flying. Based at the Anoka County (MN) Airport. Last time I saw it was just a couple of years ago. Joe Kittredge was flying it. I believe he still holds the all time parachute altitude record. Jumped from a military balloon at something north of 100,000 feet!

Jack Willard
01-23-2009, 01:09 PM
http://www.terrafugia.com
May have flown by now. I think this one will actually work. Been following this sort of thing since the late '70's. Will we ever get the chance to own one? That is always the $64,000 question. If link works; check it out.:cool:

Nope. That's the $194,000 question. LOL

mariner13
01-23-2009, 01:18 PM
Probably should go to Sun-N -Fun at Lakeland in April to see it. Since it isn't likely that I can do that; Oshkosh is looking like a MUST DO this year.

ppi
01-24-2009, 12:36 AM
you know back in 50's 60's they had a piper type airplane and the wings folded rearward you towed it with a reg car as the weight is low
tow it to your local airfield unfold and lock the wings and go flying, it cost no were near 194k could be built today in a kit for less than 30k and we all have a honda or something to tow it with? some one have a Million dollars laying around i will design and build a way better system for a lot less lol

rogwild
01-25-2009, 11:43 AM
http://www.terrafugia.com
May have flown by now.

"May" is an awful "if'eey" word!:confused: I doubt that it has FLOWN, since none of the articles cited on their website indicate that; and I would imagine that is ONE MILESTONE that they would really want to make PUBLIC for investors and potential buyers.=y: Do you have any 'evidence' that would support the "MAY" other than 'Hope and Faith'?du:n:n:o(

Shoot, the Persu Hybrid MAY have a BETA completed with several thousands of miles of road tests:burning:rubber:,.......but I doubt it.:(

bird2brain
03-18-2009, 02:48 PM
Yep, I know it's an aside, but in case anyone missed it, the Terrafugia Transition has made it's maiden flight.

Why is this relevant? Well, since I'm NOT driving my PHV1 (or whatever), I've been following lots of other innovative designs. Terrafugia was one of the vehicles that generated a lot of trash talk on the old company site forums. There were several people who said it would never fly, they'd never put money down on a project like that, others were crazy to try, etc. Most were convinced that VV was likely to have the first real TTW to market. It was so much more realistic, practical and affordable. VV seemed real back then. Now, it seems, even Moller might get to market first.

I'm still watching Terrafugia, Samson Motorworks, RevMoto and anything else that might make the dream come true. I know they don't all address the same market. That's not the point.

Dreams CAN take flight. Smart people, working hard can make it happen. I've just got my doubts that it will be the group from Persu that does it. With their track record, they're gonna get leapfrogged.

JoeU
03-18-2009, 04:25 PM
Any video or where is article?

AZEqualizer
03-18-2009, 04:44 PM
AVWEB (http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/TransitionRoadableAircraftFlies_199974-1.html)

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JoeU
03-18-2009, 04:53 PM
Thanks, AZ. Waiting to see a full flight.

rogwild
03-18-2009, 10:53 PM
Very interesting; never got out of 'ground effect', BUT it did get airborne. This one looks like it may be worth keeping an eye on.

RAN
03-19-2009, 11:15 AM
Somewhat reminiscent of the Wright brothers 1st flight. At least they have a prototype.

bird2brain
03-19-2009, 11:48 AM
The video shown suggests that the Transition never got out of ground effect. That is only the first flight. Like the Wright Brothers, there were several flights the same day (6, I think it said) and some of the stills show much greater altitude. It was two weeks from first flight to the press announcement.

I think these people are well on their way to a viable product for those who can afford it. Those number are fewer now than when the project started, but things change.

BTW, I had not read this thread before posting my last. I had referred to postings on the original company forum which had much the same tone as some here. As recently as January of this year, the same tone was evident here. Anyone for some fresh boiled crow?

Terrafugia is a collection of some very bright people and deserve a lot of credit. This doesn't look like it's going to be a one off like some many of those on the Popular Mechanics site today http://is.gd/o2QG This one looks like it might be viable.

Persu might be viable, too, but only if they make some progress.

rogwild
03-19-2009, 02:45 PM
Yes, ONE TO WATCH. I wonder if they will 'display' at Sun-n-Fun in Lakeland, FL next month. Maybe they will have some better videos at their booth by then.

MVRacing
03-20-2009, 01:33 AM
There are some further videos on the net...specifically AOL news, which shows the Terrafugia Transition flying the pattern with a Cesna chase plane. Also additional photos of it in street mode. Very interesting!

Miracleman89
03-20-2009, 01:42 AM
Well with all this talk about flying, I was wondering if anyone has heard anything else about this vehicle?

http://www.pal-v.com/

Mike kZ
03-20-2009, 06:58 AM
Well with all this talk about flying, I was wondering if anyone has heard anything else about this vehicle?

http://www.pal-v.com/


I want one of those!!! Tilts, and flys! That would be cool.

Jack Willard
03-20-2009, 07:51 AM
Wow. I had not heard of PAL-V. cool:thu:mb1 How did I miss that one?

Same tilting technology as Carver and Persu, combined with auto-rotating gyrocopter blades. Interesting indeed.

They sure don't say much about where they are in the development to production process. Wonder where they got that from (Persu)? And not a thing on cost. Like I'm supposed to know what an "executive saloon car" is and/or costs. What the heck is that; Bentley, Rolls Royce? :confused:

Way out of my price range for sure! ypslj:kes;7(

AZEqualizer
03-20-2009, 09:15 AM
http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=661&highlight=Personal+Air+Land+Vehicle

rogwild
03-20-2009, 11:32 AM
Wow. I had not heard of PAL-V. cool:thu:mb1 How did I miss that one?

Same tilting technology as Carver and Persu, combined with auto-rotating gyrocopter blades. Interesting indeed.

They sure don't say much about where they are in the development to production process. Wonder where they got that from (Persu)? And not a thing on cost. Like I'm supposed to know what an "executive saloon car" is and/or costs. What the heck is that; Bentley, Rolls Royce? :confused:

Way out of my price range for sure! ypslj:kes;7(

Jack, don't 'hold your breath' for the PAL-V, like I said in its 'thread' there are multiple 'problems' with the concept of a gyro-copter (with folding blades) of this weight and complexity that will keep it 'Vaporware', well after you and I are 'gone'!

Now the 'Flying Car', on the other hand, has basic 'proven' technology,.....just very EXPENSIVE.

RichDC
03-22-2009, 07:58 PM
So THATS where my flying car went! It's being made by a different company altogether. Silly me.

MVRacing
04-09-2009, 12:10 PM
From EV World:

http://www.evworld.com/press/parajetskycar2.jpg
PHOTO OF THE WEEK: The Parajet SkyCar II will be the successor to the SkyCar, which just completed an aerial expedition (http://www.skycarexpedition.com/index.php) from London to Timbuktu. SkyCar uses a state-of-the-art parafoil and biodiesel engine to achieve flight.


London to Timbuktu by Flying Car
Now here's an idea that I absolutely love: A flying car.

The idea is decades old. I recall Molt Taylor's (http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20performance/aerocar.htm) efforts back in the 1960s to develop a practical flying car. Most recently, DARPA -- the U.S. Defense Advanced Research and Projects Agency -- announced its Personal Air Vehicle Technology (http://www.dodsbir.net/solicitation/sbir091/darpa091.htm) project.

While I am not sure that the Parajet SkyCar would meet DARPA's criteria, it would come pretty close. Imagine a light-weight, two-passenger dune buggy powered by a biodiesel engine, to which a five-bladed pusher prop is attached. Sling this under a giant parafoil wing and you've got a flying car.

Now to prove the concept works, fly it from London to Timbuktu, the legendarily-remote desert city in Mali. That's exactly what a team of adventurers did recently. With an all-terrain support vehicle and motorcycle outriders, the SkyCar Expedition (http://www.skycarexpedition.com/) hedge-hopped its way across the English Channel, France and Spain, across the Straits of Gibraltar -- a first for any flying car -- along the coast of North Africa and then inland across the Sahara to Timbuktu (Tombouctou). The team arrived at their destination on March 2, 2009.

The Skycar's take-off speed is 60 mph. Top airspeed is 100 mph. Cruising altitude is 2,000-3,000 feet, with maximum altitude of 15,000. Having demonstrated the feasibility of the technology, the organizers are turning their attention to commercializing it. The image at the top of the page is their next-generation concept vehicle.

willk
04-09-2009, 05:20 PM
r:o:f:l:2:2:1lol it's a fat, flying lambo

rogwild
04-09-2009, 05:48 PM
Here is an excerpt from one of their Blog entries:

I made a much improved landing and after Neil had had a few attempts at take-off without success, we decided that our make-shift airstrip was too small and that I being lighter than Neil should have another flight and see if I could get airborne again. This was bad decision, it was midday by now and some powerful thermals were kicking in...the wind direction kept changing and the conditions weren’t perfect anymore. I went for it all the same and paid the consequences...on take-off I hit a cross wind which blew me off track towards a good sized tree....instead of backing off the power and aborting the take-off I held firm on the power hoping that I would climb away over the tree or would pass by it....this didn’t happen and I flew at around foot off the ground straight into the tree at about 60mph!!
Think I might 'pass' on this 'Flying Car'. But they did 'REBUILD' it and finished the expedition.

voyager
03-24-2011, 05:40 AM
Terrafugia is reportedly taking off. Where is this company getting its funding from? I am curious, cause who will want to buy such an ugly contraption that you will still need to take to your nearest airfield to be able to fly it.

http://www.terrafugia.com/images/260x130/POCChamplain.jpg